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In ANH Han talks about out runnig imperiel ships,
"the big corellians, ones not your local bulk cruiser"

Does the empire actually use any corellian ships? The only one i can thnig of is the corvette which is by no means big. (in fact does a bulk cruiser pwn a corvette?)

So what gives?

I dimly remember as a kid my cousin being older and having access to Star Wars stuff right after ANH telling me that the Imperial Stardestroyers were also called "Correllian Cruisers" I used to call them that for the longest time as a kid.

That was clearly before they decided, that KDY builds the Star Destroyers.

Tribun wrote:That was clearly before they decided, that KDY builds the Star Destroyers.

Is it possible KDY has shipyards out by Corellia?

Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

Crazedwraith wrote:In ANH Han talks about out runnig imperiel ships,
"the big corellians, ones not your local bulk cruiser"

Does the empire actually use any corellian ships? The only one i can thnig of is the corvette which is by no means big. (in fact does a bulk cruiser pwn a corvette?)

So what gives?

Remember Admiral Giel's flagship, which definately was bigger than a common ISD? This flagship is commonly believed to be Corellian in origin, and the "big Corellian ships" mentioned by Han could be the sister ships of Giel's flagship.

There is also mention of 2km long Correlian cruisers in the old Han Solo and the Lost Legacy trilogy. Those are probably them.

I'd always had the impression "Corellian Ships" Where ISD's. The Kuat Drive Yards is a EU concept and not mentioned at the time of the OT. However, to keep the EU in the loop, the KDY where known to sub contract big contracts. At the time of ANH i'm guessing the Kuati yards where being used to test and develop the Executor design and so they may very well have decided to contract the existing ISD contract to Corellia.

BabelHuber wrote:Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

ISDs are Cruisers in Canon material and other sources. Don't get into this crap AGAIN on a seperate topic

Super-Gagme wrote:

BabelHuber wrote:Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

ISDs are Cruisers in Canon material and other sources. Don't get into this crap AGAIN on a seperate topic

Don't parrot others' arguments. Its a valid point, and he's allowed to debate it as it is on-topic. You can quiet your wannabe moderator self.

For what it's worth, Bob Brown called Giel's battleship the Corellian Cruiser on his site. It's well over 6 km in length.

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Remember what Han said about these "big Corellian ships": That he's outrun them.

He's NEVER outrun a KDY Star Destroyer (well, not in realspace, anyway... and hyperspace doesn't matter).

So clearly he's talking about a different type of ship.

Given the fact that he, in the Falcon, was in fact confronted and even captured by large battlecruisers in the Marvel series, I'm willing to be a similar class of vessel is the "big Corellian ship"

SPOOFE wrote:Remember what Han said about these "big Corellian ships": That he's outrun them.

He's NEVER outrun a KDY Star Destroyer (well, not in realspace, anyway... and hyperspace doesn't matter).

So clearly he's talking about a different type of ship.

Why does Hyperspace not matter? From the EU we know that it is possible to track a ship through hyperspace, so a faster ship would be important.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Super-Gagme wrote:

BabelHuber wrote:Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

ISDs are Cruisers in Canon material and other sources. Don't get into this crap AGAIN on a seperate topic

Don't parrot others' arguments. Its a valid point, and he's allowed to debate it as it is on-topic. You can quiet your wannabe moderator self.

While what you said is correct IP, you're not a moderator here either. So both of you stop telling the other what to do.

Why does Hyperspace not matter? From the EU we know that it is possible to track a ship through hyperspace

As far as I know, we have one FREAK instance of a ship tracking the Teljkon vagabond in hyperspace, and that happened because the tracking ship happened to have the unusual luck of jumping to hyperspace immediately behind the escaping vessel. It was explicitly stated at the time that if the ship had delayed much longer in jumping, it would have lost the vagabond altogether.

So you need immensely perfect timing with almost exactly identical trajectories and a proximity that is rare for hyperspace travel. The keyword is "rare". THAT'S why hyperspace doesn't matter. Ergo, Han's comments about outrunning other ships refers to realspace.

SPOOFE wrote:

Why does Hyperspace not matter? From the EU we know that it is possible to track a ship through hyperspace

As far as I know, we have one FREAK instance of a ship tracking the Teljkon vagabond in hyperspace, and that happened because the tracking ship happened to have the unusual luck of jumping to hyperspace immediately behind the escaping vessel. It was explicitly stated at the time that if the ship had delayed much longer in jumping, it would have lost the vagabond altogether.

So you need immensely perfect timing with almost exactly identical trajectories and a proximity that is rare for hyperspace travel. The keyword is "rare". THAT'S why hyperspace doesn't matter. Ergo, Han's comments about outrunning other ships refers to realspace.

Except in ANH when Ben and Luke were settled in and Ben was already teaching Luke how to be a Jedi while Han was up in the cockpit 'still loosing them' because when he did come back to the main hold he said "Well, I finally lost them." Or something of the sort. If hyperspace = freedom from tracking, why didn't Han go back and goof off with the passengers instead of stay up in the cockpit?

SPOOFE wrote:

Why does Hyperspace not matter? From the EU we know that it is possible to track a ship through hyperspace

As far as I know, we have one FREAK instance of a ship tracking the Teljkon vagabond in hyperspace, and that happened because the tracking ship happened to have the unusual luck of jumping to hyperspace immediately behind the escaping vessel. It was explicitly stated at the time that if the ship had delayed much longer in jumping, it would have lost the vagabond altogether.

So you need immensely perfect timing with almost exactly identical trajectories and a proximity that is rare for hyperspace travel. The keyword is "rare". THAT'S why hyperspace doesn't matter. Ergo, Han's comments about outrunning other ships refers to realspace.

We have no idea if you can go straight line from tatoienne to alderaan. Maybe that seen was much later after they'd dropped out o hyperspace to change lanes and we're attack by local imp forces before making another jump to hyperspace.

Knife wrote:

SPOOFE wrote:

Why does Hyperspace not matter? From the EU we know that it is possible to track a ship through hyperspace

As far as I know, we have one FREAK instance of a ship tracking the Teljkon vagabond in hyperspace, and that happened because the tracking ship happened to have the unusual luck of jumping to hyperspace immediately behind the escaping vessel. It was explicitly stated at the time that if the ship had delayed much longer in jumping, it would have lost the vagabond altogether.

So you need immensely perfect timing with almost exactly identical trajectories and a proximity that is rare for hyperspace travel. The keyword is "rare". THAT'S why hyperspace doesn't matter. Ergo, Han's comments about outrunning other ships refers to realspace.

Except in ANH when Ben and Luke were settled in and Ben was already teaching Luke how to be a Jedi while Han was up in the cockpit 'still loosing them' because when he did come back to the main hold he said "Well, I finally lost them." Or something of the sort. If hyperspace = freedom from tracking, why didn't Han go back and goof off with the passengers instead of stay up in the cockpit?

Well, in the EU ships can make a series of short hyperspace jumps (microjumps) in various directions in order to make it impossible for someone to track their vector. Perhaps Han made two or three microjumps on vectors that wouldn't take the Falcon to Alderaan in order to throw off any attempt at pursuit? He declared he'd "finally lost them" because he was satisfied that they couldn't figure out his destination based on the jump they'd seen him make.

Super-Gagme wrote:

BabelHuber wrote:Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

ISDs are Cruisers in Canon material and other sources. Don't get into this crap AGAIN on a seperate topic

Why, you afraid of being made to look like a fool again like happened last time?

ISDs are not cruisers. They term everything a cruiser from a diplomatic ship to the Droid control ship, so that fails. We have clear evidence that Star-whatever is the ships designation. On top of that they are out massed by ships called cruisers and thier mission profile is identical to that of the Destroyer (that nitpicking about missiles was the same shit Ardax tried with Brian over the term volley- asanine shit that fails in the face of the DDX and prior destroyers)

Ender wrote:

Super-Gagme wrote:

BabelHuber wrote:Perhaps Han meant something even bigger than a SD, e.g. a real cruiser.

The fact that only destroyers are seen in the movie doesn't mean that those were the biggest ships Han Solo had to deal with in the past.

ISDs are Cruisers in Canon material and other sources. Don't get into this crap AGAIN on a seperate topic

Why, you afraid of being made to look like a fool again like happened last time?

ISDs are not cruisers. They term everything a cruiser from a diplomatic ship to the Droid control ship, so that fails. We have clear evidence that Star-whatever is the ships designation. On top of that they are out massed by ships called cruisers and thier mission profile is identical to that of the Destroyer (that nitpicking about missiles was the same shit Ardax tried with Brian over the term volley- asanine shit that fails in the face of the DDX and prior destroyers)

Get over yourself. The last debate didn't result in anything just two people arguing. Personally the idea of them being destroyers doesn't hold up. Why? Lack of sources over them being what they are according canon and official material.

Super-Gagme wrote:Personally the idea of them being destroyers doesn't hold up. Why? Lack of sources over them being what they are according canon and official material.

Christ almighty, we went through this last time:

According to canon star- wahtever is the ships designation

Ships canonically labeled as star cruisers are well outside the tonnage range

They preform the role of a destroyer in the movies.


Gee, despite your claims that there is a lack of evidence, look at that, 3 canon instances pointing at them being destroyers. Now you can keep crying about how all the evidence doesn't prove anything, or you can present a valid counterargument. I'm going for the day, see if you can come up with anything by tomorrow, ok?

"Star Destroyer" is considerably more specific than a generic term like "Imperial Cruiser". Thus, it is reasonable to assume that the first is an ISD's proper size class, while the latter is more akin to "US Navy warship".

And what of "X-class Star Destroyers" like the Victory, Executor, and Eclipse class? The word 'destroyer' cannot dictate the starships role. More likely it is simply a name given to a certain line of warships by KDY. It is apparent that the Imperial-class Star Destroyer fills the destroyer role for other reasons, but its name doesn't seem to be one of them.

It may not be a cruiser, admittedly, but its not a destroyer either.