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Lazy Raptor wrote:1. Corporate Sector

Lazy Raptor wrote:2. Hapes Consortium

Lazy Raptor wrote:3. Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium

Lazy Raptor wrote:4. Chiss

Lazy Raptor wrote:5. Yuuzhan Vong

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:The Chiss are communists? News to me! What evidence is there of their communism?

Karl Marx wrote:Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Karl Marx wrote:Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Karl Marx wrote:Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

Gamer #5 wrote:It is important to note that the Chiss have no finances -- they have no money. Everything is provided by the state.

Gamer #5 wrote:Chiss are extremely loyal to their own kind and look down upon other aliens as barbaric and immature. Only by proving that he adheres to Chiss disciplines can a non-Chiss gain the loyalty and respect of the cerulean-skinned people.

Gamer #5 wrote:Despite their growing borders, the Chiss still foster a cultured contempt for other species, and believe in isolation and preservation of their heritage.

Dark Tide II: Ruin wrote:Jaina felt a cold calm come over Jag Fel as his hands slowly unknotted. “Where I come from, Chief Fey’lya, I am in the minority. I am the alien. If you remember anything from the history of your precious Rebellion, it is that Thrawn was uncompromising, and that is a trait of his people. I was raised among them, raised with them, judged by their standards. I met those standards. I exceeded those standards.”

The Tears of Palpatine wrote:Ah, the Chiss. The O-so-clever blue-skinned master race, created and much-vaunted by Timothy Zahn.

Who are the Chiss? The Chiss are a semi-civilised race of Communist xenophobes. The Chiss are possessed of a blue epidermis, glowing red eyes, and black hair, without exception—the fact that they are a derivative race of homines sapientes notwithstanding. Indeed, the uniformity of physical appearance is a chilling suggestion of the sort of eugenics programmes that the Chiss must be fond of using, as humans do not have uniform characteristics to the extent possessed by the Chiss without extensive external interference.

The Chiss first appeared as a group in Mr Zahn’s Vision of the Future, in which we, the audience, were introduced to the Hand of Thrawn, a group of traitors who consort with Imperial exiles—all of whom are absorbed in the cult of the Leader (in this case, none other than the strategic imbecile Grand Admiral Thrawn). The Hand of Thrawn has since made reappearances in Elaine Cunningham’s “Red Sky, Blue Flame” and Michael A. Stackpole’s Dark Tide II: Ruin.

Their entire civilisation is governed by a single, unitary and highly centralised government, controlled by four ruling families on the capitol world, Csilla. They do not use any form of capitalism, as economic affairs are all handled by that selfsame oligarchical government (cf. Karl Marx’s mandate that Communist governments should eradicate capital). They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss. (These data courtesy of Gamer #5.)

Nowhere is Chiss racial self-aggrandisement better displayed than in the conduct of one Mitth’raw’nuruodo, better known as Grand Admiral Thrawn. Admiral Thrawn had an enlisted crewman brutally executed for a minor failure; Gamer #5 explicitly states that had Ables’man Pieterson been a Chiss, he would not have been executed. In other words, like a typical racist, Admiral Thrawn demonstrated an abominable double-standard determined solely by the colour of one’s skin.

Many people like to assert that the Chiss destroyed the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium, based on the New Republic Historical Council’s statement that “another force from deep in the Unknown Regions had already attacked the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium on the opposite front, leaving devastation in their wake,” and then that “recent interpretations of the data have suggested that the attackers were the Chiss, the blue-skinned humanoid race of which Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn was a member” (The Essential Chronology).

(The Historical Council also indicates that the Alliance High Command considered the Ssi-ruuk such a threat that the elimination thereof would require a paltry “dozen Nebulon-B frigates and smaller vessels at their disposal”—a task force which pales before the awful majesty of such mighty Imperial groups as the Death Squadron, with its twenty battleships and armada of accompanying lesser vessels. That is to say, if the Chiss were responsible for having eliminated the Ssi-ruuk, it is a task of such minor import that it would not even rate a full assault fleet under the Empire.)

The Chiss are also an only marginally capable civilisation, the constant contentions of Mittyphiles notwithstanding. Gamer #5 indicates that Chiss vessels lack navicomputers, and are unable to safely leave Chiss-held territory. The Chiss utilise a large network of navigation beacons (cf. Karl Marx’s mandate that Communist governments should be able to tightly control transportation). This more recent datum reveals that the New Republic Historical Council’s suggestion that the Chiss may have destroyed the Ssi-ruuvi Imperium is inaccurate.

The Chiss’ military growth and development so retarded, not only are they ideologically opposed to preëmptive strikes, they are logistically incompetent to do so—they only repel foreign threats which invade their territory, but are unable to venture beyond the borders of their colonial empire, a side-effect of their peculiarly backward navigational system. Chiss clawcraft have navicomputers... but they are, in fact, amalgamations of Chiss and Imperial technology, and are unavailable to the Chiss proper. In fact, according to Gamer #5, the Chiss “do not have a starship larger than an escort frigate (about 300 meters in length).” A clear indication that the Chiss are grossly behind the galactic standard technological level.

This is the vaunted “Chiss superman.” A technologically and militarily backward isolationist, with a healthy dose of Ingsoc-style societal values and Communist police-state leanings. Indeed, Star Wars is a place of colourful analogues... blue ’sabres, blue milk, and blue Stalinists. Big Brother is watching you... and he has glowing red eyes.

Not a state, but a roaming nomadic train belonging to a highly militaristic and religious fundamentalist species.

evilcat4000 wrote:Also were not the Vong from outside the known Galaxy ?

Lazy Raptor wrote:

evilcat4000 wrote:Also were not the Vong from outside the known Galaxy ?

Yes.

TrekWarsie wrote:I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

Peregrin Toker wrote:Do the Kaminoans count?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

TrekWarsie wrote:I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

TUF claims they were "banished" which to me sounds suspiciously like "they were defeated and had to leave."

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Peregrin Toker wrote:Do the Kaminoans count?

Not really. Kamino is just a single planet way out in the boonies whose native species likes to keep with themselves and prefer to deal only with paying customers.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Going by that, yes, it would be correct. I assumed that by "civilisations," he meant ones that were at a larger scale than just a single planet.

Ender wrote:

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

TrekWarsie wrote:I think that it was since they were forced to leave their former galaxy because they had killed all of the planets in that galaxy for something.

TUF claims they were "banished" which to me sounds suspiciously like "they were defeated and had to leave."

They were banished from Yuuzhan'tar and the force, not their home galaxy. That they tore to shreds in a series of civil wars and the initial conquest.

They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss.

They're insular racists who refuse to even awknowledge those who disagree with the mere philosophy of pre-eminence. Yet they think even those traitors so much superior to non-Chiss they can't bare to do anything other than exile them. Meanwhile, Thawn executes a crewman for what was probably not his fault.

His Divine Shadow wrote:

They have a “cultured contempt” for sub-Chiss, and consider all other races and species to be “primitive and barbaric.” Only those who adhere to the philosophies and codes of conduct of the Chiss are esteemed by the Chiss.

They're insular racists who refuse to even awknowledge those who disagree with the mere philosophy of pre-eminence. Yet they think even those traitors so much superior to non-Chiss they can't bare to do anything other than exile them. Meanwhile, Thawn executes a crewman for what was probably not his fault.

Well it doesn't seem to be a racial issue per sé, they consider other species inferior because they have not been brought up in the glorious and superior ways of Chiss philosophy, it's not simply because they are of another species, but because as a result of being from another species and consequently, another society, they haven't been brought up with their culturual values.

It's more a form of culturual elitism/snobbery rather than outright racism, because they allow for members of other species to attain the same kind of respect they give each other if they embrace their philosophies, this would not be possible if they where racists, nomatter what they did they'd still just be inferior, just like to a white supremacist a nigger will always be a nigger nomatter what.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Colonel Jagged Fel was born within the society and culture of Syndic Mitth'raw'noroudo's Household Phalanx, and still was required to rise above his humanity.