Questions about Imperial naval deployments...

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 02:13am

1) Is there anything in the canon material to suggest how long groups deploy?

2) What types of groups deploy and what do they consist of?

3) Do they deploy anywhere everywhere or are there specific areas of operations called for the Command guidance?

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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 02:17am

Well the Moffs each administratively own a sector fleet that administers to matters in their sector, but as I understand it elements of the central Imperial Navy have jurisdiction everywhere, the Death Squadron being the best example. I don't know how long they can deploy. They usually consist of a number of ISDs depending on the job at hand, and support cruisers and such for perimeter security and so forth. (Lancer frigates for antistarfighter support, Nebulon Bs to run supply convoys to and from the fleet, and so forth.)

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 02:23am

Rogue 9 wrote:Well the Moffs each administratively own a sector fleet that administers to matters in their sector, but as I understand it elements of the central Imperial Navy have jurisdiction everywhere, the Death Squadron being the best example.

Yeah, I kinda figured that the IN had a space control mission within Imperial space. How many Moffs are there and how are they distributed? How large is a sector?

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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 02:29am

Well, that's more a political question than anything else. The sectors aren't all equal (I don't think), and the Emperor assigned his favorite moffs to the more influential/bigger ones. Then there's the Grand Moff issue, which just confuses everything for me. Regional governor, I think Tarkin said? Do the Grand Moffs oversee multiple sectors with Moffs under them? I'm not sure.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-21 02:35am

Grand Moffs control entire regions, with the Moffs running the individual sectors beneath them. Moffs, in turn, are in command of system Prefects or planetary governors. I think sectors had Navy battlegroups assigned to them, but some fleets seem to have free reign to go about anywhere.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 02:38am

Lazy Raptor wrote:Grand Moffs control entire regions, with the Moffs running the individual sectors beneath them. Moffs, in turn, are in command of system Prefects or planetary governors. I think sectors had Navy battlegroups assigned to them, but some fleets seem to have free reign to go about anywhere.

There's millions of worlds in SW, right? How many of them have these planetary governors? Also, how large are these regional commands and where are they?

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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 02:42am

Well, I honestly can't tell you. The one I know about for sure is Black Sword Command in the Koornacht Cluster near the Core. That was a large fleet (included three Super Star Destroyers

). I'm not sure whether it was a sector fleet (that's a lot of power to hand to a single Moff), a regional fleet (and I don't know how many sectors there are to a region), or an Imperial Navy command. The details are kind of sketchy.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-01-21 02:45am

revprez wrote:There's millions of worlds in SW, right? How many of them have these planetary governors? Also, how large are these regional commands and where are they?

I would assume only the heavily populated and thoroughly "Imperial" worlds have planetary governors. System Prefects would sometimes be in control of multiple inhabited planets, but I imagine in most cases the Empire allowed local governments to remain in place so long as they met certain criteria. On particularly lawless or sparsely inhabited worlds, I imagine the Moffs would control from a distance and the garrison commanders would effectively have the role of Prefect. As for size, heavily populated regions like the Core and the Colonies would have huge battlegroups assigned to them, while remote Outer Rim sectors may have little military presense at all. It depends on what needs to be guarded/subdued. The shipyards at Kuat take precedence over some cargo facilities near Naboo etc.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 02:48am

Rogue 9 wrote:Well, I honestly can't tell you. The one I know about for sure is Black Sword Command in the Koornacht Cluster near the Core. That was a large fleet (included three Super Star Destroyers ). I'm not sure whether it was a sector fleet (that's a lot of power to hand to a single Moff), a regional fleet (and I don't know how many sectors there are to a region), or an Imperial Navy command. The details are kind of sketchy.

Cool. Is there anything in the canon that details the amount of forces available to Grand Moffs?

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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 02:56am

Well, Grand Moff Tarkin had the Death Star.

He was governor of the Outer Rim, IIRC. The entire Outer Rim. Sparsely populated, so you can put more area under one man's force. And Tarkin was highly trusted by the Emperor and also his territory contained many ideal places for construction of the battle station. There's a lot of uninhabited worlds in the Rim.

Not every Grand Moff had a Death Star, of course. But they did have rather large fleets at their disposal. How large? Can't say. Better hope someone who knows more than I do looks in this thread soon, because I'm running out of things to tell you.

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 03:02am

Rogue 9 wrote:Not every Grand Moff had a Death Star, of course. But they did have rather large fleets at their disposal. How large? Can't say. Better hope someone who knows more than I do looks in this thread soon, because I'm running out of things to tell you.

No problem. Thanks.

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Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-01-21 04:44am

Rogue 9 wrote:Well, I honestly can't tell you. The one I know about for sure is Black Sword Command in the Koornacht Cluster near the Core. That was a large fleet (included three Super Star Destroyers ). I'm not sure whether it was a sector fleet (that's a lot of power to hand to a single Moff), a regional fleet (and I don't know how many sectors there are to a region), or an Imperial Navy command. The details are kind of sketchy.

The one the Yevetha get? As long as I can remember, they did only have one Super Star Destroyer, the Intimidator AKA Pride of Yevetha. They also had a good number of Star Destroyers and a shitload of lesser ships, but just because there were three Imperial shipyards orbiting their homeworlds.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2004-01-21 05:26am

revprez wrote:Cool. Is there anything in the canon that details the amount of forces available to Grand Moffs?

According to the Tarkin Doctrine, an Oversector is assigned three Sector Groups in addition to whatever regular forces are at the Moff Governors' disposal. By way of analogy, one could take the States of Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Michigan, and Wisconsin, and then assign each State a regular division; one could then reassemble them into a sort of sub-federal union (still within the jurisdiction of the United States), and assign three regular divisions to the sub-federal governor's personal command.

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GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-21 07:48am

The ISB says on p.11 : "A priority sector is a sector consisting of systems on which signs of unrest have been detected, or systems wich are in regular contact with systems in which unrest is chronic. A priority sector often crosses the boundaries of standard sectors, containing the worlds of a dozen or more sectors." They were created because of the difficulties in coordinating efforts between sectors. The equivalent would probably be assigning a special force of the FBI to an area where criminals operate in reach of a states border and are known to cross the border in order to evade the state police.
It goes on to say: "Each Grand Moff controls at least two sector groups, or the equivalent in other military resources."

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-01-21 09:29am

IIRC, Tarkin got four sector-groups plus fifteen additional squadrons (111 - 335 ISDs total plus thousands, if not tenthousands of smaller ships).

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 09:46am

Murazor wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Well, I honestly can't tell you. The one I know about for sure is Black Sword Command in the Koornacht Cluster near the Core. That was a large fleet (included three Super Star Destroyers ). I'm not sure whether it was a sector fleet (that's a lot of power to hand to a single Moff), a regional fleet (and I don't know how many sectors there are to a region), or an Imperial Navy command. The details are kind of sketchy.
The one the Yevetha get? As long as I can remember, they did only have one Super Star Destroyer, the Intimidator AKA Pride of Yevetha. They also had a good number of Star Destroyers and a shitload of lesser ships, but just because there were three Imperial shipyards orbiting their homeworlds.

The Intimidator is the only SSD that the Yevetha are ever observed to use, but there were three in Black Sword Command. The records found on the Gnisnal make this clear. Its just that the other two never put in an appearance. Maybe they were called away after Endor. The Intimidator was going to ship out for the Core as well as soon as it was done with its refit at the Yevethan shipyards, but the revolt kind of screwed up that plan.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2004-01-21 12:28pm

GySgt. Hartman wrote:The ISB says on p.11 : "A priority sector is a sector consisting of systems on which signs of unrest have been detected, or systems wich are in regular contact with systems in which unrest is chronic. A priority sector often crosses the boundaries of standard sectors, containing the worlds of a dozen or more sectors." They were created because of the difficulties in coordinating efforts between sectors. The equivalent would probably be assigning a special force of the FBI to an area where criminals operate in reach of a states border and are known to cross the border in order to evade the state police.
It goes on to say: "Each Grand Moff controls at least two sector groups, or the equivalent in other military resources."

The Tarkin Doctrine as quoted from Moff Governor Wilhuff Tarkin's memorandum to the Galactic Emperor in the Death Star Technical Companion, Second Edition (page number not available) specifically called for three Sector Groups per Oversector; the Emperor's lord chamberlain, Ars Dangor, responded that everything Moff Governor Tarkin suggested would be implemented as official policy. Consequently, while the Imperial Sourcebook's statement "at least two sector groups" is true, it is misleading (three is certainly greater than or equal to two); Oversectorial Governors are given command of three or more Sector Groups.

The Grand Moff Tarkin himself is known to have personally commanded between five and eight Sector Groups, depending on how one interprets Dangor's reply. It is assured that Governor Tarkin commanded Seswenna Sector Group in his capacity as Moff Governor of Seswenna Sector and not less than three Sector Groups in his capacity as Grand Moff Governor of Oversector Outer. It is not clear whether the four Sector Groups placed under his command by Dangor in conjunction with oversight of the Death Star Project are in addition are in addition to or including the latter three. In addition, Governor Tarkin would have had not less than one and as many as sixteen squadrons attached to his Sector Group Headquarters.

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Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 12:45pm

On top of the Death Star... I can see why Motti thought to try to talk Tarkin into taking over the Empire. And why Tarkin actually started to listen. (Source: A New Hope radio dramatization.)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-01-21 01:05pm

Murazor wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Well, I honestly can't tell you. The one I know about for sure is Black Sword Command in the Koornacht Cluster near the Core. That was a large fleet (included three Super Star Destroyers ). I'm not sure whether it was a sector fleet (that's a lot of power to hand to a single Moff), a regional fleet (and I don't know how many sectors there are to a region), or an Imperial Navy command. The details are kind of sketchy.
The one the Yevetha get? As long as I can remember, they did only have one Super Star Destroyer, the Intimidator AKA Pride of Yevetha. They also had a good number of Star Destroyers and a shitload of lesser ships, but just because there were three Imperial shipyards orbiting their homeworlds.

Yes there were three Super Star Destroyers, one for sure a "late production" Executor-class. The other two never show up and their fates were in much debate as are some aspects of Intimidator's fate.

And the Yevetha did produce literal copies of Imperial Star Destroyers and other lesser vessels but it seems they never got too many put together. The Imperial type vessels never did some all that numerous. Most likely the Yevetha didn't have the necessary tech and industrial base to support the shipyards fully.

Murazor · Post by **Murazor** » 2004-01-21 02:51pm

Stormbringer wrote:Yes there were three Super Star Destroyers, one for sure a "late production" Executor-class. The other two never show up and their fates were in much debate as are some aspects of Intimidator's fate.

And the Yevetha did produce literal copies of Imperial Star Destroyers and other lesser vessels but it seems they never got too many put together. The Imperial type vessels never did some all that numerous. Most likely the Yevetha didn't have the necessary tech and industrial base to support the shipyards fully.

OK. Probably they didn't as the figures of one SD every month for the empire (I'm guessing that I have just commited a big mistake

) included monsters as Sienar sistems and the Corellia and Kuat driveyards.
However, I think that in Shield of Lies one of those mobile shipyards was destroyed with six almost completed SD inside it.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 04:06pm

Yes, there were six in the Black 15 yard. But Kuat and the rest of the Imperial yards were producing other things besides ISDs. And Sienar Fleet Systems didn't much go in for capital ships as far as I know. They were the starfighter design bureau.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2004-01-21 04:25pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Yes, there were six in the Black 15 yard. But Kuat and the rest of the Imperial yards were producing other things besides ISDs. And Sienar Fleet Systems didn't much go in for capital ships as far as I know. They were the starfighter design bureau.

seiner do the imobolizer interdictors but not many other cap ships.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-21 04:36pm

Oh yeah, Interdictors. Well that's pretty specialized technology, and Raith Seinar was supposed to be a genius. *Shrug*

Revprez, try this site. Among other things, it has maps of the Star Wars galaxy, and you can guess at where the sectors would logically lie. Dressed the link, happy?

revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 04:52pm

Is there anything in the canon that tells us how long it takes to build an ISD, fit it and work it up?

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revprez · Post by **revprez** » 2004-01-21 04:53pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Oh yeah, Interdictors. Well that's pretty specialized technology, and Raith Seinar was supposed to be a genius. *Shrug*

Revprez, try this site. Among other things, it has maps of the Star Wars galaxy, and you can guess at where the sectors would logically lie. Dressed the link, happy?

Thanks. And now I know how to dress links, too.

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