Force powers/abilities from the Star Wars movies

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2004-01-21 10:53am

http://www.lab321.ru/~stas/usetheforce.html

Well, here goes another one for the Jedi/Sith force-using stuff.
All comments and criticism welcome. Except the design. It's made for simplicity, to lower the time required for making the pages, not for aesthetical pleasure.

WGR, Stas.

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2004-01-21 11:59am

Pretty good. Although, there is at least one thing I noticed:

The EU suggest other Force powers in addition to canon ones - Force jumps, Force speed-ups, Force life-drain, etc.

Force Speed is a canon power, since Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon used it in TPM to escape from the Droidekas early in the movie.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2004-01-21 12:15pm

Oops, mea culpa, gotta read the novellisation carefully

[edit: no, nothing found. No hints at the use of Force speed in TPM]

The Prime Necromancer · Post by **The Prime Necromancer** » 2004-01-21 01:58pm

It was discussed heavily in this threadalong with the invisibility effect which came with it.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-01-21 02:01pm

Stas Bush wrote:Oops, mea culpa, gotta read the novellisation carefully
[edit: no, nothing found. No hints at the use of Force speed in TPM]

Uhhh...remember the part where Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan are trying to break into the bridge, but then shielded droidekas attack them? When the Jedi decide that "It's a standoff", they run away. VERY fast.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-01-21 02:02pm

Stas Bush wrote:Oops, mea culpa, gotta read the novellisation carefully
[edit: no, nothing found. No hints at the use of Force speed in TPM]

What the fuck? Did you not see them dash down the hall to fast to be seen in TPM when the droidekas showed up?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-01-21 02:22pm

Not bad, but I'd combine the energy manipulation of being able to shoot energy (ie force lightning) and absorbing said energy.

Also I'd think that telekinesis and telepathy inherit in the Jedi Mind Trick would be simularly related.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-21 02:59pm

Where is the saber throw?
Since Vader's saber didn't shut down in ROTJ, and it came back to him (he had it in his hand while descending the stairs), it seems to be some sort of force power too.

At least one force jump is clearly canon. The one done by Luke in TESB out of the freezing chamber. That was quite deep, and without the force, impossible.

Also, someone could use the force to survive some time without breathing. See the nerve gas incident in TPM. I don't know if Vader surpressed breathing too in TESB when he ambushed Luke, or if he simply silenced his breather.

And do not forget, that the force-user can also project sounds, twice shown by Obi-Wan in ANH, when he scared the sandpeople and when he ditracted the guards at the tractor beam control.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-01-21 03:35pm

Tribun wrote:Where is the saber throw?
Since Vader's saber didn't shut down in ROTJ, and it came back to him (he had it in his hand while descending the stairs), it seems to be some sort of force power too.

This is simply application of telekinesis. If the saber has an auto-shutoff, Vader uses telekinesis to keep the trigger depressed. He also uses telekinesis to bring the saber back to his hand.

At least one force jump is clearly canon. The one done by Luke in TESB out of the freezing chamber. That was quite deep, and without the force, impossible.

At least one, yes, but actually quite a few. Luke performs a Force-assisted flip while training with Yoda, and a Force-assisted backflip in the Emperor's throne room (immediately prior to Vader's saber-throw attack). Vader uses the force when jumping down the stairs to attack Luke on Bespin (towards the beginning of the fight, immediately after pushing Luke down the stairs...notice how he glides down, skimming but not touching the stairs). He also used the Force to prevent neck injury when kicked by Luke in the throneroom...notice that he performs a backwards sommersault in the air while going down the stairs where he normally would have hit the stairs and tumbled down. Obi-Wan Force jumps back to the platform that Qui-Gon and Maul are battling on after getting kicked off by Darth Maul at Naboo. Anakin demonstrates the Force jump at least once in the Geonosian Foundry/Factory, and again when he saves Obi-Wan from Dooku's saber (this time with a horizontal dive). Mace Windu uses the Force in his jump down to the Arena floor, and at least once again once down there. Anakin uses the Force to jump around while dealing with the rhino-beast. Count Dooku uses the Force to jump into combat against Yoda, and last, but certainly not least, Yoda unleashes a Force-jump whirlwind against Count Dooku.
Those were all off the top of my head, there may be other instances.
But in all, Force Jump is an application of telekinesis. When it's a jump down, it also seems to incorporate the Jedi ability to manipulate energy (note especially Obi-Wan's injury-less fall in the Theed Reactor Complex).

Also, someone could use the force to survive some time without breathing. See the nerve gas incident in TPM. I don't know if Vader surpressed breathing too in TESB when he ambushed Luke, or if he simply silenced his breather.

Agreed. And Vader was probably holding his breath; if he could turn off the breathing sounds, it's likely he would do that all the time. But, to be fair, it's not 100% clear either way.

And do not forget, that the force-user can also project sounds, twice shown by Obi-Wan in ANH, when he scared the sandpeople and when he ditracted the guards at the tractor beam control.

Very good point, and one often overlooked.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-01-21 04:13pm

Robert Treder wrote:Agreed. And Vader was probably holding his breath; if he could turn off the breathing sounds, it's likely he would do that all the time. But, to be fair, it's not 100% clear either way.

Well, if you listen, you'll hear Vader's first breath is very deep and fast, much like the first breath one takes after holding their breath for a long period.

Issue 9. Use The Force wrote:In ANH, we have seen Force kinesis used to choke General Tagge, as Vader found his "lack of faith disturbing". Although this General was not choked to death.

This is actually Admiral Motti he chokes. General Tagge is the guy who said, "Until this battle station is fully operational, we are vulnerable! The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize." Motti then rebuked, "Dangerous to your Starfleet, Commander, not to this battle station." Interesting that he called him Commander. I think this is one of those instances wherein Star Wars characters seem to use 'Commander' as an arbitrary designation for 'one who commands,' rather than an actual rank.

Issue 9. Use The Force wrote:More then that, when Yoda deflected Dooku's Force lightning in AOTC

More than that. Grammar, people!

Issue 9. Use The Force wrote:But Palpatine foresaw the whole situation at Endor, except his very defeat.

Actually, if you believe Dark Empire, this was part of his plan too. I think someone quoted DE recently in one of the other threads wherein Palpatine lays out that he had expected Endor to fail. I suspect it's the Thrawn/Palpatine thread.

Another point (mainly from CCG and RPG sources) is that Force powers are generally divided into three "types" of powers: Alter, Control, and Sense. Affect Mind (mind trick, etc) is considered an Alter power, for instance.

Other than that and what others have said above, it's a nice overview

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-01-21 04:32pm

McC wrote:More than that. Grammar, people!

Come on, give our ESL comrade a break.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-01-21 05:01pm

Gotta point it out where I see it, mate. Making a mistake is one thing, as long as you correct it. If you neglect to correct it, then you're just a fool

What's worse is when native English speakers do it and don't know that they're doing it wrong!

One of Mike's rants on his personal site details this notion (the whole "u r dumb" manner of communication and such; then/than is simply a lesser form of this problem). It irks me personally, so I feel quite free to point out when people make such mistakes.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2004-01-22 01:48am

McC, and others, thank you.
Grammar is not my strong point. I'm not a native English speaker.
Gotta correct the page and add the Jedi speed and invisibility.

Special thanks for the link to that thread - it's really good stuff

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-01-22 04:26am

Please try to replace the blue writing on black background. It really disturbs the eyes.

And maybe another Force power(Official Site)

Her cool blue eyes and her swaying Toloth headdress pointed to her familial connection to Master Gallia, but Stass Allie had only ascended to the level of Jedi Knight by the time the Clone Wars began. Though an experienced warrior and field agent of note -- her accomplishments included the fracturing of Lojrak Shrag's salt cartel on Cona -- she would increasingly concentrate on the healing arts practiced by the Circle of Jedi Healers.

Force Heal is used in the games, but mostly because of gameplay, I think. Although this quote might sugest it is used by a specialized group of Jedi.
Too bad Qui-Gon or Obi Wan didn't know or remember about this at the end of the fight with Maul.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2004-01-22 04:40am

Yup that heal stuff is also to be mentioned. I think that healing is not really used by the majority of the Jedi, but by a group of those who specialize in healing. That would explain why Obi-Wan was unable to heal Qui-Gon and many other Jedi deaths.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-22 05:07am

i recall various d20 sourcebooks mentioning how jedi healers were rare and extremely prized as pupils by the council.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-01-22 05:41am

Actually, Obi-Wan is capable of Force healing, as he demonstrated in ANH (healing Luke after the sandpeople attack.) I guess he must've picked up that trick some time between AotC and ANH.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2004-01-22 07:48am

Perhaps they can only heal smaller injuries like broken legs and such, and ease the pain? I mean, healing Qui-Gon? The man got a lightsabre right through his stomach. Even bacta couldn't have saved him, I think. And Anakin must used some sort of healing after the fight with Dooku when he lost his arm, because when Padmé arrives he gets up pretty quick. The pain (and perhaps the blood that stayed in his cut-off arm) should've made him faint, or at the very least, extremely nauseous. The same could go with Luke who was still able to talk despite having his hand cut off.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-01-22 12:20pm

I would say that basic healing is a power all Jedi have the ability to learn. However, only a few would have the ability to become proper healers, specialising in the ability.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-22 07:02pm

Sharp-kun wrote:I would say that basic healing is a power all Jedi have the ability to learn. However, only a few would have the ability to become proper healers, specialising in the ability.

it mentions as such in the d20 sourcebooks. that those who exhibit a decided talent for healing have that talent nurtured so they can become a jedi healer.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-22 07:10pm

Force flight--another application of TK--the Jedi coasts sideways through the air--Anakin in AOTC to save Obi-Wan from Dooku.

According to the novelisation, Anakin uses "Force walls"--barriers to movement and motion by TK to reduce Dooku's manuverability.

The novelisation of ROTJ supports HttE that Palpatine was using a low-level form of mind-influence on the entire Imperial forces at Endor.

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-01-22 08:31pm

Does the ability to deflect blaster shots using the lightsabre count as a stand-alone Power or is part off a larger category?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-22 08:37pm

the ability to deflect blaster shots is apart of something called jedi defense i believe. however i forget the precise name of the power, will need to check sourcebooks later.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-01-23 12:05am

Seems to me like that's just a combination of Force speed and Force intuition.

jakez0r · Post by **jakez0r** » 2004-01-23 12:49am

I remember reading somewhere that Jedi could stop themselves from feeling pain. Maybe that's what Luke didn't faint or whatnot from his hand being chopped off.