ISD internal defense

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-26 06:16pm

I have heard people mentioning ISDs having war droids on board. I wasn't able to find any references to this. So the question to those more knowledgeable is: How many war droids are on board of ISDs and what type are they?
What other ships have war droids on board?
I realize that they have other means of defense against boarders, such as sealing off parts of the ship, flooding compartments with gas, or setting up defensive emplacements at crucial points. What would war droids be needed for when you already have 9,700 stormies?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-26 06:36pm

Well ISDs are supposed to carry SD10s and/or SD9s which are a huge bipedal droids which can be used for internal defense or an army (mostly defense). As to how many are on board, I am not sure. It is mostly an assumption that there are droids on board, as for reference I can not provide any except for the Essential Guide to Droids which talk about these droids I mentioned.

But as far as I know you would want some defense if (for some reason) your crew was knocked out, or if someone tried to capture your vessel. Do not forget that all 9700 stormies are not in the same place so haveing the droids could make up for the lack of troops in a certain area.

Also I do not think that ISD can flood compartments with gas like Federation ships can, also as for the balstdoors, I am not sure of they have to be manually locked or if they can be locked from a security station.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-26 06:54pm

I know that some compartments of an ISDs are routinely flooded with inert gases prior to combat. This is done to reduce the risk of fires / explosions, and could well be used against boarders.

IIRC, the blast doors on the death star were remotely closed during the rebel's escape.

Are you sure SD9 / SD10 are the correct designations? I am unable to find any links on them.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-26 06:56pm

Close the Blast doors--Imperial Stormtrooper ANH

It appears that they do have some remote location that can open and shut these doors on command.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-26 06:56pm

They have AT-PT's for internal defense. These small walkers can still walk through the corridors and can block it with it's firepower if neccesary.....Without anti-armor weaponary, it's a slaughter for the boarders....

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-26 06:58pm

Isolder74 wrote:Close the Blast doors--Imperial Stormtrooper ANH

It appears that they do have some remote location that can open and shut these doors on command.

It would be smart to allow the security stations to close off blastdoors, so they more then likely could on an ISD.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-26 07:03pm

Can you provide references for this? I heard this too, but I don't have any references on AT-PTs being on board of ISDs.

All I know is that "[t]he AT-PT (All Terrain Personal Transport) was an experimental single-person walker design which was originally designed by the Old Republic. It was meant to turn a single soldier into an armed force that could take on and defeat an entire squad of troops. Ultimately, the AT-PT project was cancelled. The majority of the Old Republic's AT-PTs were on the Katana Dreadnaught Fleet, after it was lost the momentum to furthering the AT-PT project was lost as well. Imperial Engineers later used many of its concepts when they were designing the AT-AT and the AT-ST." (this is from WEG, but I never read anything contradicting it).
This lead me to believe that they are quite rare in the time of the Empire.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-26 07:09pm

In the last of the Thrawn books when the battle for the Kantanna fleet is happening, an ATPT was used aboard the Kantanna flagship to fend off the Imperial clonetroopers. This might not be so with ISDs but it is still a reference.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-26 07:14pm

That would fit the quote above:

The majority of the Old Republic's AT-PTs were on the Katana Dreadnaught Fleet [...]

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-26 07:19pm

GySgt. Hartman wrote:That would fit the quote above:
The majority of the Old Republic's AT-PTs were on the Katana Dreadnaught Fleet [...]

What I was talking about though is a referenece to the ATPTs fighting onboard a ship.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2004-01-26 07:44pm

They have neither SD-9's or 10's (which are much taller than a corridor) or AT-PTs (which are even bigger). That would be, frankly, absurd.

In the last of the Thrawn books when the battle for the Kantanna fleet is happening, an ATPT was used aboard the Kantanna flagship to fend off the Imperial clonetroopers. This might not be so with ISDs but it is still a reference.

Dreadnaught! = ISD

The guy probably broke it out of its landing transport as a last ditch attempt to stop the infected guys.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-26 07:48pm

Anyone care to provide actual references on this?
a) references on the droids and the heigth of ISD corridors
b) references on AT-PTs being anywhere but the Katana fleet

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-01-26 08:27pm

SD-9's were used by Sedriss at the Battle of Balmorra, while the Balmorrans used SD-10's against him. DE2, I think. He had VSD-looking ships, more about them on SWTC.

Found an excerpt:

"As you know, Mon Mothma, I'd been itching for a battle with the Empire for years. I knew my people had the firepower to match theirs. LIEUTENANT: Governor Beltane, Imperial troops are approaching the city! We estimate close to 30,000 stormtroopers, 700 AT-AT's, and 400 SD-9 war droids! BELTANE: SD-9's? Executor Sedriss has last year's models. Let's show the Empire what REAL firepower is all about. Activate the SD-10's. Sound: Far away, several hangar doors open. SD-10: War droid SD activated. LIEUTENANT: All the SD's are operational, Governor. BELTANE: Just in time. The Empire has arrived. Sound: Turbolaser fire, close range. SD-9: Surrender. The city is now under Imperial control. Surrender. LIEUTENANT: Imperial war droids have reached the city! Imperial war droids have---(screams as a shot takes him out) SD-9: The city is now under Imperial control. BELTANE: SD-10's, target all Imperial battle droids! SD-10: Affirmative. Initiating combat protocol. Sound: Close range crossfire. SD-9: Surrender. The city is under Imperial control."

[url=http://emperor_palpatine69.tripod.com/Droids/SD_9_and_SD_10.html]SD-9/10 Info[/url]

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-01-27 08:05am

Your Link doesn't work. ("Illegal character in hostname; underscores are not allowed").
Do you have any references on them being used aboard Star Destroyers?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-01-27 08:56am

Can´t say much on the internal defenses of an ISD, but here is what the ISB has to say about another ship:

Imperial Star Galleon

As more and more cargo freighters suffer capture and destruction at the hands of pirates and rebels, the Empire decided to
experiment with a new class of capital ship. This new vessel contains enough storage capacity to make it function as a transport
ship, but also has the added benefit of sophisticated weaponry and shielding. In essence, this vessel can serve as both transport
and escort - simultaneously.

The Star Galleon-class frigate takes the place of two ships, thus saving the Empire credits. Previous Imperial transports were
unarmed or lightly armed cargo ships that could not compete against starfighters or powerful capital ships. They needed the
protection of escort frigates or some other type of combat craft.

However, the new Star Galleons can carry equivalent amounts of goods while protecting themselves from the ravagers of the
space lanes. A combination of concussion missiles and turbolasers creates a decent fire perimeter. In addition, the vessels are
designed to repel invaders intent on capturing their store of goods.

Up to 300 troopers are stationed aboard a Star Galleon. The interior of these ships bristle with anti-intruder defenses. The
troopers, for example, can make use of fortress-like emplacements that line the inner hallways and corridors from which to
defend their ship. Individual sections can be sealed and held by the defenders, creating pockets within a Star Galleon.

One of the more interesting features of a Star Galleon is the cargo hold. Placed in the very center of the craft, the hold is
actually a separate vessel that can detach and be jettisoned into hyperspace for collection at a later time. A built-in homing
device allows Imperial agents to track the hold as it randomly jumps across the hyperlanes.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-27 09:02am

StarshipTitanic wrote:They have neither SD-9's or 10's (which are much taller than a corridor) or AT-PTs (which are even bigger). That would be, frankly, absurd.

A stormtrooper bearly fits into the cockpit of an AT-PT. Compare it to the shuttle unloading it. It's hight seems to be 3 meters when standing hight at maximum.
So it would fit into starship corridors to blockade them.

Shok Teenik · Post by **Shok Teenik** » 2004-01-27 02:11pm

Tribun wrote:A stormtrooper bearly fits into the cockpit of an AT-PT. Compare it to the shuttle unloading it. It's hight seems to be 3 meters when standing hight at maximum.
So it would fit into starship corridors to blockade them.

err ... are we to believe the AT-AT in that picture is significantly further away from the point of view than the AT-PTs? 'cause if it isn't, compared to the AT-AT that's a huge shuttle, and the AT-PTs are definitely taller than 3 meters.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-27 02:13pm

Shok Teenik wrote:
Tribun wrote:A stormtrooper bearly fits into the cockpit of an AT-PT. Compare it to the shuttle unloading it. It's hight seems to be 3 meters when standing hight at maximum.
So it would fit into starship corridors to blockade them.
err ... are we to believe the AT-AT in that picture is significantly further away from the point of view than the AT-PTs? 'cause if it isn't, compared to the AT-AT that's a huge shuttle, and the AT-PTs are definitely taller than 3 meters.

From Mike's site:

AT-PT Walker: The AT-PT walker was designed to be a "personal walker" during the reign of the Old Republic. Some of these units are still in circulation, but the small and cramped AT-PT walker is inferior to the AT-ST and AT-AT walkers developed after the Empire took control. The AT-PT walker is only 3m tall, it is no faster than a lumbering AT-AT walker at 60 km/h, and it is armed with a twin blaster cannon and concussion-grenade launcher (ref. SWEGVV). Its firepower is equal to the firepower of an AT-ST walker, but its inferior speed, strength, and sensor equipment makes it a poor choice in battle.

Shok Teenik · Post by **Shok Teenik** » 2004-01-27 02:17pm

oh, and weren't the SD-10's a new model during Dark Empire, so much so that at the time of Dark Empire, only the Balmorrans who manufactured them had them? that would pretty much rule out SD-10's as standard ISD troop complement, not before Dark Empire at least.

Shok Teenik · Post by **Shok Teenik** » 2004-01-27 02:17pm

oh, and weren't the SD-10's a new model, so much so that at the time of Dark Empire, only the Balmorrans who manufactured them had them? that would pretty much rule out SD-10's as standard ISD troop complement, not before Dark Empire at least.

Shok Teenik · Post by **Shok Teenik** » 2004-01-27 02:22pm

damn double post.

I take it 3 meters is the official figure, then, and not based on scaling from that pic? since you have to agree, if you compare Luke Skywalker and the AT-AT, then the AT-AT and the AT-PT in that image, the AT-AT appears to have shrunk.

or then there's something wrong with my depth vision.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-27 02:28pm

Shok Teenik wrote:damn double post.

I take it 3 meters is the official figure, then, and not based on scaling from that pic? since you have to agree, if you compare Luke Skywalker and the AT-AT, then the AT-AT and the AT-PT in that image, the AT-AT appears to have shrunk.

or then there's something wrong with my depth vision.

I think the screwed up the hight of the AT-AT.
Here another picture, compare to the AT-AT at the right. And remember that the AT-PT is nearer to the camera.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-27 02:40pm

Also, can't ATPTs and ATSTs make themselves smaller by using their joints. So an ATPT could (only an assumption), make itself small enough to fit in a corridor?

Shok Teenik · Post by **Shok Teenik** » 2004-01-27 02:51pm

Tribun wrote:I think the screwed up the hight of the AT-AT.
Here another picture, compare to the AT-AT at the right. And remember that the AT-PT is nearer to the camera.

yeah, that clears it up.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-01-27 02:54pm

GySgt. Hartman wrote:I have heard people mentioning ISDs having war droids on board. I wasn't able to find any references to this. So the question to those more knowledgeable is: How many war droids are on board of ISDs and what type are they?
What other ships have war droids on board?
I realize that they have other means of defense against boarders, such as sealing off parts of the ship, flooding compartments with gas, or setting up defensive emplacements at crucial points. What would war droids be needed for when you already have 9,700 stormies?

They'd presumably be used in its role as an assault vessel, as part of a ground force.

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