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If some SW historian say, 1000 years in the future(since the SW universe tends to be socially static), how would they look at the Empire? Would it be seen as a truly significant event shaping Galactic History? Or would it be seen as about as significant as Oliver Cromwell's 11 year dictatorship over England?

Certainly something significant given the sheer military build up and the purge of the Jedi.

I think it would be as well known as Nazi Germany is well known today.

Shinova wrote:I think it would be as well known as Nazi Germany is well known today.

Yes, but that was just 60 years ago, not 1000.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:

Shinova wrote:I think it would be as well known as Nazi Germany is well known today.

Yes, but that was just 60 years ago, not 1000.

True but the scale of events in the SW universe compared to ours seems bigger. To us, 100 years of development might be a lot, but to them it's probably a puny stretch of time.

Consider that the old republic's existed for over a thousand years.

Anyway, my point is, with their better record-keeping and scale of things, they might still remember something a thousand years later if it was significant enough.

I would say that the fall of the Old Republic and the extermination of the Jedi are pretty significant enough events to be remembered for a long time.

The Old Republic lasted for 25,000+ years. The last incarnation that was around after the final Sith War was only 1000 years old.

Guardsman Bass wrote:Or would it be seen as about as significant as Oliver Cromwell's 11 year dictatorship over England?

Um, Cromwell's 11 year dictatorship was incredibly influential in English history.

perhaps it would be viewed as akin to the egyptian enslavement of the jews in biblical times?

Think of how much the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Japanese, Chinese, ect. have effected our civilization today. The Empire brought around a new age of space warfare, government, and technology. All of the achievements of the Empire ie. building a moon-sized station, creating wepons that can destroy solar systems, having the largest empire and navy in galactic history, and all of these things can effect future weapons and so forth. Furture species and governments would be influenced by the Empire to some extent, I belive that they would look at the Empire and be in awe of how a man could create such a thing in such a short time period (by their standards), and how one person could create such a tyrannical regime. They could also look at the Empire for what not to do as far as being evil but to take note on how orderly it was.

IMO, LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!! Or what is left of it

Techno_Union wrote:Think of how much the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Japanese, Chinese, ect. have effected our civilization today. The Empire brought around a new age of space warfare, government, and technology. All of the achievements of the Empire ie. building a moon-sized station, creating wepons that can destroy solar systems, having the largest empire and navy in galactic history, and all of these things can effect future weapons and so forth. Furture species and governments would be influenced by the Empire to some extent, I belive that they would look at the Empire and be in awe of how a man could create such a thing in such a short time period (by their standards), and how one person could create such a tyrannical regime. They could also look at the Empire for what not to do as far as being evil but to take note on how orderly it was.

IMO, LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!! Or what is left of it

Not much left of it to live. *Goes to shoot down a TIE squadron or three just for the hell of it.*

Of the Republics history the Empire and its period make up 0.4%. That is miniscule and eventually will be considered just a hiccup in the Republics past. Probably won't even consider it a take over, just a brief coup and then they retook it. Honestly the story of Empire vs Rebels is nothing but a blink in the Republic timeline.

Super-Gagme wrote:Of the Republics history the Empire and its period make up 0.4%. That is miniscule and eventually will be considered just a hiccup in the Republics past. Probably won't even consider it a take over, just a brief coup and then they retook it. Honestly the story of Empire vs Rebels is nothing but a blink in the Republic timeline.

On the contrary, it'd probably go down as something incredibly important. The time involved isn't always a reliable indication of the importance.


What it did was result in real turning point in Galatic history. It did away with the Republic and resulted in a shift in the social, military, and polical paradigm of the GFFA. With out it the whole of history probably would have gone in a very, very different direction.

Shaidar Haran wrote:

Super-Gagme wrote:Of the Republics history the Empire and its period make up 0.4%. That is miniscule and eventually will be considered just a hiccup in the Republics past. Probably won't even consider it a take over, just a brief coup and then they retook it. Honestly the story of Empire vs Rebels is nothing but a blink in the Republic timeline.

On the contrary, it'd probably go down as something incredibly important. The time involved isn't always a reliable indication of the importance.


What it did was result in real turning point in Galatic history. It did away with the Republic and resulted in a shift in the social, military, and polical paradigm of the GFFA. With out it the whole of history probably would have gone in a very, very different direction.

And you think that is the first time something similar has happened over the course of 25,000 years of Republic history?

Super-Gagme wrote:Of the Republics history the Empire and its period make up 0.4%. That is miniscule and eventually will be considered just a hiccup in the Republics past. Probably won't even consider it a take over, just a brief coup and then they retook it. Honestly the story of Empire vs Rebels is nothing but a blink in the Republic timeline.

I would have to agree. By 1,000 years, assuming the New Republic is still around and the last Imperial Remnant forces died off, the Empire's rule will seem like an insignificant coup that didn't affect the Republic as a whole. Sure, it got a new name, but it still held together and lasted another 1,000 years. The government reestablished itself, the Jedi again dominated the galaxy...perhaps the Vong would have had more importance in history. The Vong destroyed the galaxy's capital planet and threatened the very existence of the galactic civilization. The Empire simply changed the form of government while the Vong threatened everyone in the galaxy. Not to undermine the horrible evils of the Empire, but the Vong seems like it would have more significance in Star Wars history. Unhindered by the Rebels, the Empire would have changed the galaxy. Unhindered by the New Republic/Imperial Remnant, the Vong would have destroyed the galaxy. See the difference?

Super-Gagme wrote:And you think that is the first time something similar has happened over the course of 25,000 years of Republic history?

Actually, it's pretty much unprecendented. Never was their a total subversion of the Republic like what happened under Palpatine. At the very least it changed the entire political order as well as destroyed a lot of the nominal unfication of the galaxy. Not to mention is brought about an age of massive militarization which continues thanks to the Vong.

And there were certainly rebellions and wars that had the same eyeblink span yet managed to be remembered. The various Sith Wars any one?

I think the Empire as a coup and government will certainly be a blink of an eye.


The extinction of the Jedi, on the other hand, would be the most notable result of the Empire's rise. I think that's the factor that could make the Empire as a dictatorial government much more significant historically than any other.

Rogue 9 wrote:

Techno_Union wrote:Think of how much the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Japanese, Chinese, ect. have effected our civilization today. The Empire brought around a new age of space warfare, government, and technology. All of the achievements of the Empire ie. building a moon-sized station, creating wepons that can destroy solar systems, having the largest empire and navy in galactic history, and all of these things can effect future weapons and so forth. Furture species and governments would be influenced by the Empire to some extent, I belive that they would look at the Empire and be in awe of how a man could create such a thing in such a short time period (by their standards), and how one person could create such a tyrannical regime. They could also look at the Empire for what not to do as far as being evil but to take note on how orderly it was.

IMO, LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!!!!! Or what is left of it

Not much left of it to live. *Goes to shoot down a TIE squadron or three just for the hell of it.*

Your comment reminds me of Grandpa Simpson's line from 'Who Shot Mr. Burns: Part 2' - "You never know what you're capable of. I never thought I'd shoot down a German plane. But last year, I finally did."

Super-Gagme wrote:

Shaidar Haran wrote:

Super-Gagme wrote:Of the Republics history the Empire and its period make up 0.4%. That is miniscule and eventually will be considered just a hiccup in the Republics past. Probably won't even consider it a take over, just a brief coup and then they retook it. Honestly the story of Empire vs Rebels is nothing but a blink in the Republic timeline.

On the contrary, it'd probably go down as something incredibly important. The time involved isn't always a reliable indication of the importance.


What it did was result in real turning point in Galatic history. It did away with the Republic and resulted in a shift in the social, military, and polical paradigm of the GFFA. With out it the whole of history probably would have gone in a very, very different direction.

And you think that is the first time something similar has happened over the course of 25,000 years of Republic history?

Enough times that we know the Republic redated itself as per the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook.

An cunning politician that overthown the political system in a brief cup that needed a masive military buildup and the extermination of his enemies (Jedi) to have a chance to survive. Even after its consolidation, the empire was proven to be an extremely fragile construct heavily dependant on the person of Palpatine for its survival, as makes clear the fast selfdestruction of the Empire after Endor, an almost imposible defeat that the dictator got out of shorsighted planning, madness and stupid overconfidence...
The Jedi purgue will be the only thing remembered in a thousand years unless the Imperial remnant does something big and nasty.

The history of the Empire would probobly be remembered as one of the most pivotal moments in the Galaxy.

Murazor wrote:The Jedi purgue will be the only thing remembered in a thousand years unless the Imperial remnant does something big and nasty.

The Imperial Remnant has already been castrated.

As long as they are around, they can do something big and nasty. It is not likely, but stranger things have happened.

Your enthusiasm boarderlines on the absurd.

Depends on who wrote the history books...

evilcat4000 wrote:The history of the Empire would probobly be remembered as one of the most pivotal moments in the Galaxy.

Are you not going to back this up with anything? Or do you always post pointless one liners that don't contribute?