The Imperial Palace

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-29 09:57pm

First off, how big was the thing? In some books it says that the senate hall covered most of its part of the city, and also that the Imperial Palace was the largest building in the city. But does it mean that the Imperial Palace is bigger and are the two buildings close together?

Also, a weird question but does anybody have any idea of how main entrances there were, in the art concepts for TPM, there are walkways to the palace, but there were different versions so I am not sure if the one I saw was the one they used.

Also, what would be the defenses for the Palace? Would there be troopers, war droids, and what not? How many troops (NR) would it take to bring down the palace, say the Empire when Palpatine was there but using NR troops or commandos? And how much damage could the building take before turbolaser barrages destroyed it?

I ask all this to those who are more knowledgeable then myself, and to those who have more info or different sources that I may not have seen. This is going to help me with a fanfic I am writing and with some vernal knowledge.

Thanks.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-01-29 10:02pm

Concept drawings for TPM? But there was no Imperial Palace in TPM. There was no Emperor to live there or even order its construction. You must be thinking of the Senate Hall.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-29 10:04pm

Rogue 9 wrote:Concept drawings for TPM? But there was no Imperial Palace in TPM. There was no Emperor to live there or even order its construction. You must be thinking of the Senate Hall.

The Jedi Temple was later turnned into the Palace...that was what I read. Pg.190 of the Art of SW TPM shows what the palace was supposed to be.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-29 10:08pm

Techno_Union wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:Concept drawings for TPM? But there was no Imperial Palace in TPM. There was no Emperor to live there or even order its construction. You must be thinking of the Senate Hall.
The Jedi Temple was later turnned into the Palace...that was what I read. Pg.190 of the Art of SW TPM shows what the palace was supposed to be.

That is correct the Emporer raized the Temple to build the palace. That is why the New Republic desided to continue to use the building. It is located close to the Senate hall.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-29 10:09pm

The Palace is an enormous grey-green pyramid.

Largest single structure in the Imperial City, I believe.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-29 10:12pm

If you have the Art of SW TPM, then could you please tell me which one of the concept drawings was used. It was to my understanding the the palace was still the pyramid, so i am assuming it would look like on of the ones on pg.190.
Personaly it would be cool if it were the one right about #1.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-29 10:14pm

What?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-29 10:15pm

Techno_Union wrote:If you have the Art of SW TPM, then could you please tell me which one of the concept drawings was used. It was to my understanding the the palace was still the pyramid, so i am assuming it would look like on of the ones on pg.190.

have you played the Game Tie Fighter?

The Palace is featured in the opening movie of the game.

It is also shown in a cut scene in the game Force Commander

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-01-29 10:20pm

Any pictures would be greatly appreciated.

I've never seen any of them.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-29 10:31pm

Isolder74 wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:If you have the Art of SW TPM, then could you please tell me which one of the concept drawings was used. It was to my understanding the the palace was still the pyramid, so i am assuming it would look like on of the ones on pg.190.

have you played the Game Tie Fighter?

The Palace is featured in the opening movie of the game.

It is also shown in a cut scene in the game Force Commander

I have TIE Fighter but it has been a while since I played it, and I never got far enough on force commander to see it, but was it in a cut scene because i have a code that would let me see all scenes? Also, how do you put a picture on your post?

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-29 10:39pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Any pictures would be greatly appreciated.

I've never seen any of them.

Tie Fighter does not have video capture feature. Same is true of Force Commander. Looked on the web and did not find any. not sure how to do this one.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-30 12:40am

The Imperial Palace exists only in the EU so i cant see how TPM had concept drawings for it, especially since the Empire isnt created until Episode III.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-30 09:05am

The Imperial palace:

Big Version:
http://xwing.wz.cz/sc_tf1.htm

Iteritor shot of the big hall of the palace:

Big Version:
http://xwing.wz.cz/sc_tf18.htm

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-01-30 09:57am

Nice pictures.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-01-30 05:29pm

zombie84 wrote:The Imperial Palace exists only in the EU so i cant see how TPM had concept drawings for it, especially since the Empire isnt created until Episode III.

The concept art is of the Jedi Temple which it supposed to be the Imperial Palace or similiar to it.

But the pics show that it is different in some ways, but is the game cannon?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-30 05:33pm

Techno_Union wrote:
zombie84 wrote:The Imperial Palace exists only in the EU so i cant see how TPM had concept drawings for it, especially since the Empire isnt created until Episode III.
The concept art is of the Jedi Temple which it supposed to be the Imperial Palace or similiar to it.

But the pics show that it is different in some ways, but is the game cannon?

The Imperial palace is NOT the Jedi temple. The temple, as far as I know, was destroyed.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-30 05:41pm

TU, what the fuck are you talking about?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-01-30 05:45pm

Techno_Union wrote:
zombie84 wrote:The Imperial Palace exists only in the EU so i cant see how TPM had concept drawings for it, especially since the Empire isnt created until Episode III.
The concept art is of the Jedi Temple which it supposed to be the Imperial Palace or similiar to it.

But the pics show that it is different in some ways, but is the game cannon?

First of all, yes, the Jedi Temple is similar in some ways to Imperial Palace. For example, it is vaguely pyramidal, and it towers over its surrounding neighborhood. But you don't really need to see the Art of... book for that; the Jedi Temple is shown in the movie. Several times.

Second of all, yes, the images from TIE Fighter outrank the sketches from Art of... on the canon scale. Here's why:
1) The TIE Fighter pics actually intend to show Imperial Palace. The same cannot be said of the images in Art of....
2) TIE Fighter is part of the Official Continuity. The same cannot be said of Art of....

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-01-30 05:49pm

Oh, and for those of you who haven't played TIE Fighter (YOU WORTHLESS BASTARDS!

), some clarification on that interior picture: The Emperor's throne is at the top, right above that triangular flag. The red bits on either side of him are Imperial Guards. I'm not sure what that dark area at the bottom center is, but it looks like there's an Imperial Guard standing there. It might be the turbolift entrance up to the throne.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-01-30 05:59pm

This is an Imperial Palace, not the Imperial Palace though. Presumably the one on coruscant is bigger and better.

zombie84 · Post by **zombie84** » 2004-01-30 06:09pm

I'm sure that all of the EU info on the palace will be rendered moot by EP III, seeing as the palace is based on Lucas' concepts from ROTJ (and earlier) and therefor very likely to see something in the final scenes of EPIII.

It would not surprise me if it follows the EU designs for the palace because they are of course based off of Lucas' original ideas, though his were much more castle-like. And TU, i see what you are saying now but your still mistaken--the jedi temple spires sit atop a larger platform structure that is vaguely triangular, much like the EU Imperial Palace. However i dont think they had this in mind when designing it and regardless its not an appropriate form to make measurement judgements off anyway.

This is just speculation on my part, but i have a suspicion that we'll see some form of an "Imperial Palace" in EP III but i'm not sure if it will follow EU. Three theories on pre-existing sources of inspiration:

1)Darth Sidious' hideout at the end of EpII becomes the basis for his palace, showing the sith's rise out of hiding and into glory.
2)The Senate building is converted into the Palace, showing the final change from democracy to dictatorship, though an "imperial senate" survived until ANH, so i'm not sure how this would work.
3)The jedi temple becomes the basis for the palace. This would be interesting, but it is my impression that the temple will be destroyed as a final symbol of the jedi's fall. However, it would not surprise me if Palpatine constructs a new building that is vaguely similar, as a way of showing the inversion of the galaxy, as dictatorship replaces democracy and sith replace jedi.

This is of course pure spoiler-free speculation on my part.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-30 06:20pm

Actually, the Jedi Temple has five spires (four at the corners and a larger one in the centre) atop a large square-based flat pyramid, shaped much like Blade Runner's Tyrell buildings.

(Concept sketch that is similar enough to the final design of the JT)

Very different from the Imperial Palace, but it would make sence to demolish it and build the Palace in its stead.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2004-01-30 06:23pm

Here's a question, in the end of RotJ SE, what are the buildings near the statue of Palpatine that is toppled?

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-01-30 06:30pm

After comparing the Intro of TIE-Fighter with Episode I and II, I'm shure that the Emperor holds his speech in the intro in the old senate building. The similarities are too great to ignore that fact, sadly I have found no picture yet.

The Imperial palace obviously not stands in the areas of Coruscant with that monster scyscrapers. It looks more like that it really stands were Sidiou's hideout was in AOTC. Just compare the skyline behind of the palace in TIE-Fighter with what we see of the city in AOTC when Dooku flies to Sidious.

By the way:
The Emperors throne room in Coruscant, note that it is very similar in design to the one on DSII:

Big Version:
http://xwing.wz.cz/sc_def8.htm

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-01-30 06:34pm

Except that was in an abbandoned industrial sector called The Works.