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We had a thread a while back about two Home One-type ships being present at Endor, and came to the conclusion that there were at least two, maybe three of them. I'm still looking through the card decks for anything interesting, and I found something.

Home One

Defiance

Confirms the presence of two Home One's, and names the second one. I mean, doesn't that look like a HO to you? Certainly does to me.

EDIT - changed the title to something more apropriate.

Maybe it is. But I'm just shooting my mouth off here.

It says Home One is 1200 metres long. I was under the impression it was much longer. Anyway, Defiance is definitely of the same class.

Stofsk wrote:It says Home One is 1200 metres long.

Another wonderful example of bad research proliferation among EU sources. The Decipher card for Executor is a bit better, saying that it's "over eight kilometer long" which is technically correct, but...

Stofsk wrote:It says Home One is 1200 metres long. I was under the impression it was much longer. Anyway, Defiance is definitely of the same class.

Home One is supposed to be over 3 kilometers long, I believe.

Other sources claim the Defiance is an MC80A, but that's obviously wrong given the picture. It survived an attack by the ISD Immortal sometime before the battle of Endor.

I find the name interesting, since the first MC90 is named Defiance as well, and that's the next ship class they made since these. Home One's are supposedly MC85s.

Good work. A third Home One went boom at Endor.

nightmare wrote:I find the name interesting, since the first MC90 is named Defiance as well, and that's the next ship class they made since these. Home One's are supposedly MC85s.

No, that's BS fanfic.

There was an MC80-type Defiance, although with the misidentification of "MC80-type Home One" the Defiance may always have been a Home One-type ship. It is possible there was both a Home One-type Defiance and MC80-type Defiance.

The MC90 first-of-class was also christened Defiance.

The MC90 first-of-class was also christened Defiance.

Something to do with the mon cals defying those that once enslaved them?

Is it possible that Home One was just a "code" or "call" name for the ship Defiance? Sort of like a normal military plane could have the name Reliance or what not, but if the President were to come aboard it would become Air Force One. Now this is assuming that Ackabar would change the call sign of it. The size could just be screwed up like the Executor?

Techno_Union wrote:Is it possible that Home One was just a "code" or "call" name for the ship Defiance? Sort of like a normal military plane could have the name Reliance or what not, but if the President were to come aboard it would become Air Force One. Now this is assuming that Ackabar would change the call sign of it. The size could just be screwed up like the Executor?

No, because there were at least three Home One-type vessels at Endor.

Thus there's no reason to assume this.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, because there were at least three Home One-type vessels at Endor.

Thus there's no reason to assume this.

Playing devil's advocate for a moment, the X-wing computer game (obviously of dubious credibility) does suggest that Defiance is Ackbar's flagship between the battles of Yavin and Hoth, IIRC. Been a while since I played. Whether or not this means that they're the same ship is anybody's guess, but I figured I'd put it out there just the same.

Personally, I'm quite content with them being different ships.

It says the same of the MC80-type Independence.

It being the game? Independence is the 'flagship' that you start on. Defiance is the front-line cruiser that Ackbar is based on.

Perhaps those are the three? Home One, Defiance, and Independence?

I believe a different card identifies another such vessel as the Independence. Indeed.

Ackbar flies his flag from Independence in XWA.

You mean this one.

Yeah, I agree. I wasn't 100%, but it certainly doesn't look like either this or this.

That makes it final, I guess. Three HO class ships in the Endor rebel fleet, and we know which ones. Quite impressive. Perhaps the rebels weren't all that outgunned discounting the Death Star II.

Well the Home One-type command ships were firstly carriers, due to their broadside-placed large hangars, and their poor firing angles. They're also apparently not well-armed for their mass.

Perhaps as good as an Imperial Allegiance-class or a larger light cruiser.

Yay, even more evidence for the 3 HO's @ Endor!

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Well the Home One-type command ships were firstly carriers, due to their broadside-placed large hangars, and their poor firing angles. They're also apparently not well-armed for their mass.

Perhaps as good as an Imperial Allegiance-class or a larger light cruiser.

The Home One seems to be a command ship since it was used in that fashion during the ROTJ space battle.

According to Saxton there were two Home One-types engaging the Executor when she plummeted toward the Death Star. Home One herself, and another such vessel observable from her bridge.

The first MC90 was also christened Defiance. Perhaps the Home One-type destroyed by the Death Star II's superlaser was the Defiance?

IIRC, Ackbar switched his command in Truce at Bakura from Home One to Independance since the atmosphere there was still better suited for MC-physiology.

Okay, so if we try to incorporate everything, perhaps it looks something like this:

- Independence functioned as the principal cruiser for new arriving pilots prior to and following ANH, leading up to ESB. (X-wing)

- Ackbar's flag was on Defiance until at least ESB. (X-wing)

- Ackbar's flag transferred to Independence some time after ESB, prior to ROTJ (Truce at Bakura, X-wing Alliance)

- Ackbar's flag transfered to Home One some time prior to ROTJ. (ROTJ)

- Defiance, Independence, and Home One were the three largest Mon Cal starships at the Battle of Endor. (ROTJ)

- Defiance was destroyed by the Death Star II's superlaser (ROTJ, coupled with the following point)

- Ackbar's flag transferred back to Independence following the Battle for Endor due to his personal preference for that ship's design over Home One. (Truce at Bakura) This suggests that both Home One and Independence were survivors of the battle, but does not necessarily imply that Defiance survived as well.

How's that look to everyone?

Wasn't the first ship to be destroyed by DS II named Liberty?

Yep. It was a winged Mon Cal starship. But there was a second ship destroyed by DSII, if you'll recall, and it was one of the wingless starships, like Home One. However, it bears noting that there was at least one additional type of Mon Cal starship involved in this battle. I believe Saxton refers to it as the "anonymous wingless" type, and this type had a much larger thruster assembly than did the Home One type.

Home One & anonymous wingless, side-by-side (SWTC)

Here's the wingless and Home One side-by-side. The wingless engine configuration matches that of the Liberty type (the wingless model was modified with the addition of wings to make the Liberty type), so that is clearly not a Home One type.

However, this image suggests that the one hit was not one of these anonymous-wingless ships, but rather a Home One type.

Defiance is destroyed by DSII (SWTC)

You can tell primarily by the nose and the aft-mounted raised command pod. The Liberty (and by extension anonymous wingless) type and Home One type do not share the same nose structure.

So, the anonymous wingless type(s) was not the one destroyed by the second DSII shot.

Stofsk wrote:It says Home One is 1200 metres long. I was under the impression it was much longer. Anyway, Defiance is definitely of the same class.

HO is more than three miles long, as seen in the films. The card's length is wrong, but the class is CLEARLY the same on the two starships. Good catch.