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In ANH he makes his views on the force quite clear. But I figure that after Vader absorbs/deflects his blaster bolts in ESB, he starts to believe.

What do you think?

Since his three kids, his wife, and his brother-in-law are all accomplished Jedi, and he got to see resurrected Palpatine, I think he figures there's a grain to it.

before luke no after luke yes. BTW How did you get your avatar 125 x 125 pixels??? did i miss something?

thecreech wrote:BTW How did you get your avatar 125 x 125 pixels??? did i miss something?

By cheating, I suppose. Some mod will come down on him for it soon, I'd imagine.

It's one of the avatars in the gallery. Those are allowed to be big I believe.

Of course he does. He didn't prior to ANH, but by ROTJ he was a believer.

Shinova wrote:It's one of the avatars in the gallery. Those are allowed to be big I believe.

Only because of a fuckup. A few were never resized to 100x100.

Of course he believes in the Force. He probably still doesn't think it controls everything there is about his life, but he understands that it exists although he concedes that he doesn't understand it.

Master of Ossus wrote:Of course he believes in the Force. He probably still doesn't think it controls everything there is about his life, but he understands that it exists although he concedes that he doesn't understand it.

There's no better way to put it. Well done.

thecreech wrote:before luke no after luke yes. BTW How did you get your avatar 125 x 125 pixels??? did i miss something?

I picked it from the gallery. So it came this size.

Ah. Okay, my mistake. Apologies. *Resolves to check up on things from now on.*

Well... After seeing what he has seen. I would say that the answer is an strong yes.

If Han didn't believe in the Force, he would have been flipping out when C-3PO was lifted up by Luke. But he didn't, so I guess by that point he believed in it.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Only because of a fuckup. A few were never resized to 100x100.

You can sort of blame me for that. Of all the pictures I provided for the avatar gallery, AFAIK all but one was resized correctly to the 100x100 limit.

On-topic, I don't think that Han was really that skeptical of the Force to begin with, but in a galaxy when mentioning "Jedi" or "The Force" in hearing range of strangers could land you in places where you really don't want to be, one could conceiveably develop automatic dismissive responses.

It was obvious that Han did not beleive in the Force until after at least The Empire Strikes Back. It also seems it took Luke's rescue of him to finally convince him. I think he also had a long time inside a block to think about "Vader's simple tricks and nonsense."

Isolder74 wrote:It was obvious that Han did not beleive in the Force until after at least The Empire Strikes Back. It also seems it took Luke's rescue of him to finally convince him. I think he also had a long time inside a block to think about "Vader's simple tricks and nonsense."

You would have thought Vader blocking his blaster's shots with his hand and then yanking the same blaster from his hand with the Force would have done a lot to convince him.

Tsyroc wrote:

Isolder74 wrote:It was obvious that Han did not beleive in the Force until after at least The Empire Strikes Back. It also seems it took Luke's rescue of him to finally convince him. I think he also had a long time inside a block to think about "Vader's simple tricks and nonsense."

You would have thought Vader blocking his blaster's shots with his hand and then yanking the same blaster from his hand with the Force would have done a lot to convince him.

Like I said he had a long time with nothing to do but think about things. I'm sure that was were he probably desided that there may be something to it. But remember what he said to Chewie right after getting out of the block "A Jedi Knight! I'm out of it for a while and everyone gets delusions of grandure." so it seems he still wasn't quite convinced yet at the start of Return of the Jedi

Or he wasn't convinced that Luke was all that powerful. He was in carbonite for a while, he didn't know that Luke did get trained fairly well.

neoolong wrote:Or he wasn't convinced that Luke was all that powerful. He was in carbonite for a while, he didn't know that Luke did get trained fairly well.

True Han had no way of knowing how long he had been inside the block. I seems though that he was definatally concinced after the rescue was over. Though he still expressesed doubts when Luke sensed Vader.

It is curious how within decades Palpatine removed all traces of the Jedi order from the galaxy. The Jedi and the Force became stuff of myths under his rule.

evilcat4000 wrote:It is curious how within decades Palpatine removed all traces of the Jedi order from the galaxy. The Jedi and the Force became stuff of myths under his rule.

I got the impression form the Prequels that while most people are somewhat aware of the reputation, and perhaps superficial descriptions, of the Jedi and that they carry "lazer swords" but it didn't seem like that many people had encountered actual Jedi, or a least didn't know that they'd encountered them.

So to a lot of people the Jedi might have almost been myth when they were actually around to prove otherwise.

Tsyroc wrote:

evilcat4000 wrote:It is curious how within decades Palpatine removed all traces of the Jedi order from the galaxy. The Jedi and the Force became stuff of myths under his rule.

I got the impression form the Prequels that while most people are somewhat aware of the reputation, and perhaps superficial descriptions, of the Jedi and that they carry "lazer swords" but it didn't seem like that many people had encountered actual Jedi, or a least didn't know that they'd encountered them.

Actually I could see plenty encounters with the galaxy at large before Palp's purge and people spreading tales...but when you have a ruler who has as much power as Palp, and if he literally has people disppear or whatnot for mention of such.

You very quickly keep your mouth shut if you did encounter a Jedi, and when such little stories are filtered away, you have the rest think of Jedis as myths because hell, no one talks of them anymore.