A Question on KJA

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-12 11:20pm

Rather than my normal rants on this fucker, I have an honest question; has the self styled 'Chacellor of Star Wars' been given the royal 'fuck you' by LucasFilm?

I only ask is because I can't recall hearing about any up coming projects ... tell me it is so!

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-12 11:24pm

Though I don't know, I think KJA's anal rapage of the Duniverse has been a contributing factor. It's plausible (though I do not have proof) that KJA was told "Go fuck with someone else's franchise you no-talent hack!" And so he did - bye bye Dune, I used to love thee in thy youth...

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-02-12 11:33pm

Crown wrote:Rather than my normal rants on this fucker, I have an honest question; has the self styled 'Chacellor of Star Wars' been given the royal 'fuck you' by LucasFilm?

I only ask is because I can't recall hearing about any up coming projects ... tell me it is so!

Hopefully!

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-13 01:43am

You know, KJA starts out pretty well.. and then just degenerates. Such as House Atreides, it didn't do any serious fuck ups with the Duniverse and was a fairly good read of tragedy in House Atreides. Just like the New Jedi Academy, it started off with some interesting twists (if you forget for a moment how stupid some of the characters are) then just really degenerated.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-13 01:52am

House Atreides wasn't bad, it only starts to suck when you compare it to House Harkonnen which had blatant continuity violations with the original FH books, had a crappy cast of characters (or poor characterisation, take your pick), and the climactic "tragedy" was exactly the same as the one that happened in HA.

I have still not touched House Corrino. I don't want to.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-13 09:54am

Actually,I read that KJA himself chose to quit writing SW novels for Bantam in the SWU during the Young Jedi Academy series.

Its more a case of KJA not being an author for Bantam than anything else.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-13 10:19am

PainRack wrote:Actually,I read that KJA himself chose to quit writing SW novels for Bantam in the SWU during the Young Jedi Academy series.

Its more a case of KJA not being an author for Bantam than anything else.

Well isn't it Del Rey now though?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-02-13 12:22pm

Crown wrote: Well isn't it Del Rey now though?

Actually, it's LucasBooks.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-13 06:03pm

Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-02-13 06:40pm

Lord Pounder wrote:Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2004-02-13 10:28pm

That's a sig quote Pounder.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-14 02:43am

Lord Pounder wrote:Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

Hail!!!!!

To be honest, they need to stop letting Trekkie writters from entering the SWU. That way, we won't get crap like the Crystal Star, or even the absurd heroics of Ann C Crisp in painting Han Solo.

God, can't anyone accept the fact that Han Solo has participated in 11 piracies, is a drug smuggler and all round immoral bastard? His moralistic turnaround in many ways, echo the "saviour" aspect of Luke Skywalker.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-14 07:48am

Han Solo was never immoral. Regardless, the best EU novels were the ones which kept his character true to the movies. So if he was excessively moral in one book, it's full of shit - but to say that he was this major badarse isn't particularly accurate either - neither is his "turnaround" in the books, as he "turned around" in the films to begin with.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2004-02-14 10:50am

KJA was never a trekkie writer, Lucas dredged him up all on his own. Likewise with most of the NJO authors, if not all.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-14 01:46pm

Stofsk wrote:Han Solo was never immoral. Regardless, the best EU novels were the ones which kept his character true to the movies. So if he was excessively moral in one book, it's full of shit - but to say that he was this major badarse isn't particularly accurate either - neither is his "turnaround" in the books, as he "turned around" in the films to begin with.

Okay, the correct term should be amoral. As in he doesn't care, and he's quite the mercenary.

The anti-slavery bit, that's understandable. But Ann C Crisp depiction of Han stand on piracy is ludicrous, especially if we remember ROTJ stated that Han has participated in 11 piracies before and Lando called him a space pirate.

And I know KJA isn't a trekkie author. However, Crystal Star, with its quantum bullshit author, is.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-14 04:33pm

Okay, the correct term should be amoral. As in he doesn't care, and he's quite the mercenary.

On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.

The anti-slavery bit, that's understandable. But Ann C Crisp depiction of Han stand on piracy is ludicrous, especially if we remember ROTJ stated that Han has participated in 11 piracies before and Lando called him a space pirate.

Perhaps Han is simply something of a hypocrite? Or perhaps there was something about those piracies that made them less unpalatable. And Lando was more or less joking around with an old friend so Han probably is the GFFA's Blackbeard.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-14 04:58pm

Stormbringer wrote: On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.

He isn't a bastard, but he's certainly no Sammaritian either. I just hate the way Ann C Crisp fleshed out his early history.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-14 05:05pm

PainRack wrote:
Stormbringer wrote: On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.
He isn't a bastard, but he's certainly no Sammaritian either. I just hate the way Ann C Crisp fleshed out his early history.

He's certainly no angel. Han is definitely a cynic and has done some bad things in his career. But I think it's safe to say he's a basically decent guy. Certainly we've seen instances before and after where he's stuck his neck out for a friend at great risk to himself.

As for Crispin trilogy, I don't know, they'd make my short list of EU to actually keep. I really rather liked them.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-14 06:19pm

His near-death experience when he stuck out his neck to save Salla Zend from being juiced by a neutron star.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-15 10:22am

Stormbringer wrote:
As for Crispin trilogy, I don't know, they'd make my short list of EU to actually keep. I really rather liked them.

The trilogy is good SW writing and has a good plot, as well as a relatively good story flow that connects the various disparate incidents of Han life remarkably well. I guess that why most people actually like it.

However, IMO, its suffers from the "Hero" wanking syndrome, and that role assumption ruined the story for me personally. Why must Han Solo be an orphan? Be a conmen when he tricked Bel Iblis? Be a street urchin? Be a runaway star-pilot? Be hopelessly devoted to love, despite his amoral lifestyle and statements about "Solo"ship? Have morals about kids? The spice-dumping incident is also absurd, although one shouldn't judge her for one flawed incident in a relatively well-written book, but since that incident arose because of a "tender" Han Solo....... it justs goes against the grain for me.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-15 11:45am

PainRack wrote:The trilogy is good SW writing and has a good plot, as well as a relatively good story flow that connects the various disparate incidents of Han life remarkably well. I guess that why most people actually like it.

However, IMO, its suffers from the "Hero" wanking syndrome, and that role assumption ruined the story for me personally. Why must Han Solo be an orphan? Be a conmen when he tricked Bel Iblis? Be a street urchin? Be a runaway star-pilot? Be hopelessly devoted to love, despite his amoral lifestyle and statements about "Solo"ship? Have morals about kids? The spice-dumping incident is also absurd, although one shouldn't judge her for one flawed incident in a relatively well-written book, but since that incident arose because of a "tender" Han Solo....... it justs goes against the grain for me.

Well, Lucas himself was responsible for Han having the Dickensonian childhood. She was specifically supposed to do that. And if my own opinion it was done well and it fit with the Han Solo character well.

As for Han's personal life, why should he be a bed hopping scumbag? He was never seen him act less than faithful to any of the other women in his life. Everything we've seen prior and since suggests he was really a decent guy.

As for morals, he's simply not as bas ass as he'd have every one believe.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-15 07:22pm

About the only thing bad about Han is he helps ship narcotics around illegally.

Believe it or not, not all dealers and smugglers are the epitome of scum, especially if they're not junkies.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-15 07:35pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:About the only thing bad about Han is he helps ship narcotics around illegally.

Believe it or not, not all dealers and smugglers are the epitome of scum, especially if they're not junkies.

Well, for one thing Han wasn't a dealer at all. He was a smuggler, that's all. And despite the damage spice does, the whole business is conducted in a manner much closer to the old rum runners as opposed to the peice of shit peddlers and cartel fat cats of today.

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

A Question on KJA

A Question on KJA

Re: A Question on KJA