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Rather than my normal rants on this fucker, I have an honest question; has the self styled 'Chacellor of Star Wars' been given the royal 'fuck you' by LucasFilm?

I only ask is because I can't recall hearing about any up coming projects ... tell me it is so!

Though I don't know, I think KJA's anal rapage of the Duniverse has been a contributing factor. It's plausible (though I do not have proof) that KJA was told "Go fuck with someone else's franchise you no-talent hack!" And so he did - bye bye Dune, I used to love thee in thy youth...

Crown wrote:Rather than my normal rants on this fucker, I have an honest question; has the self styled 'Chacellor of Star Wars' been given the royal 'fuck you' by LucasFilm?

I only ask is because I can't recall hearing about any up coming projects ... tell me it is so!

Hopefully!

You know, KJA starts out pretty well.. and then just degenerates. Such as House Atreides, it didn't do any serious fuck ups with the Duniverse and was a fairly good read of tragedy in House Atreides. Just like the New Jedi Academy, it started off with some interesting twists (if you forget for a moment how stupid some of the characters are) then just really degenerated.

House Atreides wasn't bad, it only starts to suck when you compare it to House Harkonnen which had blatant continuity violations with the original FH books, had a crappy cast of characters (or poor characterisation, take your pick), and the climactic "tragedy" was exactly the same as the one that happened in HA.

I have still not touched House Corrino. I don't want to.

Actually,I read that KJA himself chose to quit writing SW novels for Bantam in the SWU during the Young Jedi Academy series.

Its more a case of KJA not being an author for Bantam than anything else.

PainRack wrote:Actually,I read that KJA himself chose to quit writing SW novels for Bantam in the SWU during the Young Jedi Academy series.

Its more a case of KJA not being an author for Bantam than anything else.

Well isn't it Del Rey now though?

Crown wrote: Well isn't it Del Rey now though?

Actually, it's LucasBooks.

Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

Lord Pounder wrote:Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

That's a sig quote Pounder.

Lord Pounder wrote:Either way KJA is now Dune's problem. Why can't he stop tormenting me and start writting fucking Star Trek books.

Hail!!!!!

To be honest, they need to stop letting Trekkie writters from entering the SWU. That way, we won't get crap like the Crystal Star, or even the absurd heroics of Ann C Crisp in painting Han Solo.

God, can't anyone accept the fact that Han Solo has participated in 11 piracies, is a drug smuggler and all round immoral bastard? His moralistic turnaround in many ways, echo the "saviour" aspect of Luke Skywalker.

Han Solo was never immoral. Regardless, the best EU novels were the ones which kept his character true to the movies. So if he was excessively moral in one book, it's full of shit - but to say that he was this major badarse isn't particularly accurate either - neither is his "turnaround" in the books, as he "turned around" in the films to begin with.

KJA was never a trekkie writer, Lucas dredged him up all on his own. Likewise with most of the NJO authors, if not all.

Stofsk wrote:Han Solo was never immoral. Regardless, the best EU novels were the ones which kept his character true to the movies. So if he was excessively moral in one book, it's full of shit - but to say that he was this major badarse isn't particularly accurate either - neither is his "turnaround" in the books, as he "turned around" in the films to begin with.

Okay, the correct term should be amoral. As in he doesn't care, and he's quite the mercenary.

The anti-slavery bit, that's understandable. But Ann C Crisp depiction of Han stand on piracy is ludicrous, especially if we remember ROTJ stated that Han has participated in 11 piracies before and Lando called him a space pirate.

And I know KJA isn't a trekkie author. However, Crystal Star, with its quantum bullshit author, is.

Okay, the correct term should be amoral. As in he doesn't care, and he's quite the mercenary.

On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.

The anti-slavery bit, that's understandable. But Ann C Crisp depiction of Han stand on piracy is ludicrous, especially if we remember ROTJ stated that Han has participated in 11 piracies before and Lando called him a space pirate.

Perhaps Han is simply something of a hypocrite? Or perhaps there was something about those piracies that made them less unpalatable. And Lando was more or less joking around with an old friend so Han probably is the GFFA's Blackbeard.

Stormbringer wrote: On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.

He isn't a bastard, but he's certainly no Sammaritian either. I just hate the way Ann C Crisp fleshed out his early history.

PainRack wrote:

Stormbringer wrote: On the contrary, Han isn't quite the hard bastard he tried to portray himself as. He consistantly risked his neck when he really didn't have to and there was never too much doubt about him being there at crunch time.

He isn't a bastard, but he's certainly no Sammaritian either. I just hate the way Ann C Crisp fleshed out his early history.

He's certainly no angel. Han is definitely a cynic and has done some bad things in his career. But I think it's safe to say he's a basically decent guy. Certainly we've seen instances before and after where he's stuck his neck out for a friend at great risk to himself.

As for Crispin trilogy, I don't know, they'd make my short list of EU to actually keep. I really rather liked them.

His near-death experience when he stuck out his neck to save Salla Zend from being juiced by a neutron star.

Stormbringer wrote:
As for Crispin trilogy, I don't know, they'd make my short list of EU to actually keep. I really rather liked them.

The trilogy is good SW writing and has a good plot, as well as a relatively good story flow that connects the various disparate incidents of Han life remarkably well. I guess that why most people actually like it.

However, IMO, its suffers from the "Hero" wanking syndrome, and that role assumption ruined the story for me personally. Why must Han Solo be an orphan? Be a conmen when he tricked Bel Iblis? Be a street urchin? Be a runaway star-pilot? Be hopelessly devoted to love, despite his amoral lifestyle and statements about "Solo"ship? Have morals about kids? The spice-dumping incident is also absurd, although one shouldn't judge her for one flawed incident in a relatively well-written book, but since that incident arose because of a "tender" Han Solo....... it justs goes against the grain for me.

PainRack wrote:The trilogy is good SW writing and has a good plot, as well as a relatively good story flow that connects the various disparate incidents of Han life remarkably well. I guess that why most people actually like it.

However, IMO, its suffers from the "Hero" wanking syndrome, and that role assumption ruined the story for me personally. Why must Han Solo be an orphan? Be a conmen when he tricked Bel Iblis? Be a street urchin? Be a runaway star-pilot? Be hopelessly devoted to love, despite his amoral lifestyle and statements about "Solo"ship? Have morals about kids? The spice-dumping incident is also absurd, although one shouldn't judge her for one flawed incident in a relatively well-written book, but since that incident arose because of a "tender" Han Solo....... it justs goes against the grain for me.

Well, Lucas himself was responsible for Han having the Dickensonian childhood. She was specifically supposed to do that. And if my own opinion it was done well and it fit with the Han Solo character well.

As for Han's personal life, why should he be a bed hopping scumbag? He was never seen him act less than faithful to any of the other women in his life. Everything we've seen prior and since suggests he was really a decent guy.

As for morals, he's simply not as bas ass as he'd have every one believe.

About the only thing bad about Han is he helps ship narcotics around illegally.

Believe it or not, not all dealers and smugglers are the epitome of scum, especially if they're not junkies.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:About the only thing bad about Han is he helps ship narcotics around illegally.

Believe it or not, not all dealers and smugglers are the epitome of scum, especially if they're not junkies.

Well, for one thing Han wasn't a dealer at all. He was a smuggler, that's all. And despite the damage spice does, the whole business is conducted in a manner much closer to the old rum runners as opposed to the peice of shit peddlers and cartel fat cats of today.