Interesting yet disturbing comparison between OT and Ep2

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-16 03:16am

Erm ... ok ....

What is this strip trying to say, exactly? Yoda's bersker rage redeemed Episode 2, or that the original Star Wars is all just an illusion?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-02-16 03:19am

Ah, well Episode 2 is being portrayed as a hentai tentacle rape monster (I believe) and the original movies are a female virggin. You do the math.

Yoda comes in and kicks demon's ass and to make up the movie, apparently

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2004-02-16 04:25am

It confuses me

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-16 04:28am

That makes no damn sense.

"Hey, let's just throw some random shit together and talk about Star Wars to make some unconnected jokes!"

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2004-02-16 04:31am

The only, and I mean only worthwhile part of Episode 2 was Yoda chugging a can of whoop ass and going to town on Count Dooku. Too bad its probably the only time we'll get to see the kinetic leperchaun in action.....

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-16 04:34am

I found it funny, but I do have to wonder how Connor found it?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-16 12:02pm

Sokar wrote:The only, and I mean only worthwhile part of Episode 2 was Yoda chugging a can of whoop ass and going to town on Count Dooku. Too bad its probably the only time we'll get to see the kinetic leperchaun in action.....

Yea, that was more or less the point of the comic writer's opinion: Ep 2 sucked except for the Yoda part, which redeemed it in his eyes.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-02-16 12:16pm

Funny, because I found that to be the second-weakest part of Ep2, after shitty love dialog.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-02-16 02:06pm

Well, I think the writer's opinion is that Ep2 (and probably by extent the first movie as well) are a sort of betrayal of the memories of the first movies... especially if you're old enough to remember them (I never saw ANH in the movies, but I did get to see TESB and ROTJ, even though I was pretty young. And I grew up watching ALOT of Star Wars as a kid, so its always left an impression.)

By comparison, some people do seem to consider the prequels to be.. not as good as the originals, if not outright abominations (which is the opinion of the writer, I believe.)

As for the Yoda part, I suspect thats more an analogy to the fact that the Prequels seem to focus more on neat CGI fireworks than on actual story (Which I suspect the Author is trying to suggest was present in the original movies, at least in the hearts and memories of the fans.)

Basically, the second movie is not as good as the first because it relies less on the story (Which perhaps seems inconsistent somewhat with the OT) and more on special effects (and the Star Wars name) to carry it.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-16 03:29pm

hey I liked episode 2 it was worth it alone to see kermit fight count dracula

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-16 10:00pm

Sokar wrote:The only, and I mean only worthwhile part of Episode 2 was Yoda chugging a can of whoop ass and going to town on Count Dooku. Too bad its probably the only time we'll get to see the kinetic leperchaun in action.....

I disagree. Yoda suddenly becoming hyperactive was shit to me. Particularly since Yoda fails to defeat Dooku, Obi-wan fails to defeat Dooku (or do anything remotely useful on the ground, like throw shit at him - I haven't read the novel, so maybe he did do something useful), Anakin fails to do anything to Dooku. The entire duel was shit. You didn't get the sense of stunned revealation at the end of ESB, when Vader defeated Luke. You didn't get the shock (albeit the predictable kind) of Ol' Ben being struck down by Vader, you didn't get the "Fuck! This is cool shit!" when Qui-gon and Obi-wan were duking it out with Maul, you didn't get the climactic confrontation between father and son as you did in ROTJ - in AOTC you essentially see two of the best Jedi Masters and one talented padawan fail to defeat a geriactric Sith Master. By numbers alone they should have got him. By sheer talent they still should have got him.

That duel, and the "Last Stand of the Jedi" thing in the arena are to me the worst moments in the Saga. I think the best moments in the film was anything that had Ian McDiarmind in it. Watching Palpatine manipulate people was eerily cool. Also, Kamino looked cool - different. The fight in the planetary rings was cool. The clonetroopers unleashing whoopass was cool, 'cause they won.

The tangled love story between Amidala and Anakin is on the same level as Jarjar - annoying, but tolerable (or ignorable, take your pick). Anyway, there ends my rant...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-17 03:34am

Well, with respect, it appears you had preconceptions of what Darth Tyranus' talent should be- I can buy Obi-Wan being no match for him, after all, he's not special, and Anakin was still a Padawan, albeit an impressive one who will kill Dooku quite easily and quite early in Episode III. Yoda was defeating Dooku, hence Dooku's escape via dropping the column on Obi Wan and Anakin.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-17 04:32am

Vympel wrote:Well, with respect, it appears you had preconceptions of what Darth Tyranus' talent should be- I can buy Obi-Wan being no match for him, after all, he's not special, and Anakin was still a Padawan, albeit an impressive one who will kill Dooku quite easily and quite early in Episode III. Yoda was defeating Dooku, hence Dooku's escape via dropping the column on Obi Wan and Anakin.

Well I disagree with you on Obi-wan, I thought he had to be pretty special to tackle Maul and win, Anakin when he fell and won, the intervening years living in seclusion, and though that last fight with Vader he "lost" it was clear, at least to me, that he was having no difficulty keeping Darth at bay (well, Vader was the one who looked like he was panting pretty heavily, while Alec Guiness looked calm and concentrated).

Anyway while it is true Yoda "defeated" Dooku this is more a nonliteral interpretation rather than an accurate assessment of the duel. Yes, Dooku was driven away - but the heroes had intended to capture him, not drive him off so he can cause more mischief. So in essence the Jedi and Yoda gained a tactical victory, but not a strategic one.

My main problem with the duel was that it seemed like a gimmick - by that I mean it was there so that we could see Yoda unleash whoopass (though in my opinion he failed to do even that) - Obi-wan was defeated within short order, and I personally thought he would last a bit longer, and Anakin was acting like a little brat (though I had satisfaction in watching the kid get zapped because of it

).

I would've liked to have seen more than one Sith, too - is it stated that Dooku is Sidious's apprentice, or are they two independent Sith lords? (yes I know the Rule of Two applies, but that's a bit sucky considering the whole galaxy don't you think? I mean, with trillions of inhabitants, isn't it possible there might be more than 2 Sith?)

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-02-17 05:09am

There are true Sith (of which there are always Master and Apprentice only, and) then there are Dark Jedi- Asajj Ventress, for example, is just a Dark Jedi, with no specific Sith training- she was, after all, only a tool and not taken seriously by either Sidious or Tyranus. The Dark Jedi post-ROTJ (like Jerec & Co) etc. also fit into this.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-17 06:23am

It is totaly confusing with no meaning whatsoever.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2004-02-17 05:19pm

Wow. That comic was... awful.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-02-17 09:33pm

Damn it Vympel, that spoiler-laden tinytext wasn't tiny enough!

Anyway, I agree; that comic made no real sense to me...maybe if they had changed the ending around, but to me it just seemed random.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-17 09:39pm

Vympel wrote:The Dark Jedi post-ROTJ (like Jerec & Co) etc. also fit into this.

Jerec is probably the closest thing to a quasi-Sith under Palpatine's command, and certainly the most powerful non-Sith. He nearly rivaled Vader's power.

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-02-18 01:39am

Vympel, I swear to god if that's an actual spoiler I'm going to hunt you down and disembowel you.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-18 01:40am

Kuja wrote:Vympel, I swear to god if that's an actual spoiler I'm going to hunt you down and disembowel you.

I say it's more of basic deductive reasoning and a few spoilers he's heard that Lucasfilm has leaked out.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-18 02:09am

Kuja wrote:Vympel, I swear to god if that's an actual spoiler I'm going to hunt you down and disembowel you.

This is to both you and RogueIce so don't take it personal, but honestly Dooku has to die in order to satisfy continuity ... saying that he will die at the hands of Anakin is just logical reasoning.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-18 02:11am

It's called "connecting the dots."

Honestly, what else would you think could happen?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2004-02-18 10:20pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's called "connecting the dots."

Honestly, what else would you think could happen?

It's not so much that he dies, it's the circumstances and timing of it being revealed. For all we knew, he could've lasted, played a major role, brought down after facing off a legion of Jedi (not too realistic, but hey), etc.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-19 01:02am

RogueIce wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It's called "connecting the dots."

Honestly, what else would you think could happen?
It's not so much that he dies, it's the circumstances and timing of it being revealed. For all we knew, he could've lasted, played a major role, brought down after facing off a legion of Jedi (not too realistic, but hey), etc.

I guess. I haven't really read any definite spoilers on this, but you gotta remember that Ep III is set at the end of the Clone Wars. Dooku's full stories will probably come out in the EU, but you also have to remember that Anakin would have been gunning for him for 3 years, and remember his dialogue at the end of AotC? 'You're going to pay for all the Jedi you killed today Dooku!'

Ep III is about Anakin, so it is reasonable for Dooku to disapear in the first act.

Well my $0.02 anyway.