do Jedi smoke?

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2004-02-17 01:38am

I would assume they don't, being that they are generally ascetics who practice self-denial and disdain seeking pleasure...especially from something unhealthy.

Yet in my original edition novelization of Star Wars, Obi-Wan is portrayed puffing a water pipe as he introduces Luke to the Lightsaber.

Also, I remember a Star Wars comic where a padawan learner is introdiced to a Jedi Master ( whom we first assume is merely a beast of burden)...who also smokes a water pipe.

So what's the deal?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-17 01:40am

Perhaps some just do.

But who cares?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-17 01:41am

Probably some do?

Just because Obi-Wan at an eariler age denied taking some death sticks doesn't mean that from that all Jedi deny doing anything different.

Literally the gamut is some do, some don't...and for all we know they change it so the toxins if any don't do crap to them since they can alter body chemistry.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-17 01:51am

We don't know what smoking is like in Star Wars. Maybe they've refined it in such a way that you retain the high with no significant long-term health risks. After all, Gandalf and just about every other character in Lord of the Rings was a dirty reefer addict.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-17 01:51am

Wrong weed, Duran.

Middle-earth pipeweed were just ordinary variations of tobacco.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-17 01:53am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wrong weed, Duran.

Middle-earth pipeweed was just a type of tobacco.

Well in that case, they're just dirty smokers. I'm surprised the "truth" people haven't started rallying against Peter Jackson for promoting smoking.

Though Bilbo did refer to it as a weed.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-17 01:54am

So did the British way back when the U.S. was still composed of 13 colonies.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-17 02:08am

Enola Straight wrote:Yet in my original edition novelization of Star Wars, Obi-Wan is portrayed puffing a water pipe as he introduces Luke to the Lightsaber.

Evidentally, Obi-wan became a hippie in his old age. Probably had nothing better to do whilst on Tattooine, so he took up a hobby.

Also, I remember a Star Wars comic where a padawan learner is introdiced to a Jedi Master ( whom we first assume is merely a beast of burden)...who also smokes a water pipe.

That sounds like the first Tales of the Jedi: KOTOR book. Master Thon. But I can't see him smoking a pipe. Maybe another book?

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2004-02-17 02:35am

I agree that in the SW world, they probably do smoke, but it has been
refined to the point where it probably poses little or no health risk.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2004-02-17 03:06am

Durandal wrote:Though Bilbo did refer to it as a weed.

Because tobbaco is a New World name and Tolkien stringently avoided those.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-17 04:40am

Why wouldn't Jedi smoke? Hell, doctors do here on Earth. Just because somebody is smart and respectable doesn't mean that they don't smoke. And anyways, if SW medical technology hasn't found a cure for lung cancer, I bet Force Healing has.

Ghost Rider wrote:Just because Obi-Wan at an eariler age denied taking some death sticks doesn't mean that from that all Jedi deny doing anything different.

Death Sticks aren't smoked; they're a liquid that's mixed into drinks. The effects are like super methamphetamines, I think.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-02-17 04:59am

Jedi don't smoke because Jedi are good guys and smoking is bad, 'mkay?

Seriously, a minor vice does not a bad person make. Even it's it bad for their health.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-17 06:24am

What about Spice Melange?

Ooops, I mean "Glitterstream Spice."

The drug of choice for Star Wars.

Still, I always figured Yoda for a pothead/hash addict.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-17 06:26am

Interesting info. I never nthought Jedi smoke before since we never saw any Jedi smoke during the films.

GySgt. Hartman · Post by **GySgt. Hartman** » 2004-02-17 06:41am

You don't know what's in the water pipes. Some friends and me sometimes smoke fruit mixes; they don't do anything except taste good - it's like chewing gum.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-17 02:33pm

Kurgan wrote:What about Spice Melange?

Ooops, I mean "Glitterstream Spice."

The drug of choice for Star Wars.

Still, I always figured Yoda for a pothead/hash addict.

Glitterstim has nothing in common with Menalge except that they are both drugs nicknamed spice you fool.

Glitterstim boosts your mental powers and can mess up your perceptions of reality.

Melange has life extending properties and, in enough amounts, can give you limited prescience.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-02-17 02:39pm

Enola Straight wrote:I would assume they don't, being that they are generally ascetics who practice self-denial and disdain seeking pleasure...especially from something unhealthy.

Yet in my original edition novelization of Star Wars, Obi-Wan is portrayed puffing a water pipe as he introduces Luke to the Lightsaber.

Also, I remember a Star Wars comic where a padawan learner is introdiced to a Jedi Master ( whom we first assume is merely a beast of burden)...who also smokes a water pipe.

So what's the deal?

I don't see why not. Obi takes a shot at the bar in AotC's so I don't really see any 'moral' revultion to 'drugs' as such.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2004-02-17 04:59pm

Durandal wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wrong weed, Duran.

Middle-earth pipeweed was just a type of tobacco.
Well in that case, they're just dirty smokers. I'm surprised the "truth" people haven't started rallying against Peter Jackson for promoting smoking.

Though Bilbo did refer to it as a weed.

When you think about it, LoTR is the most pro-smoking movie in years. Saruman, incidentally, is an anti-smoker ("Your love of the Halfling's Leaf has clearly clouded your mind," spoken to Gandalf).

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-17 05:13pm

Joe wrote:
Durandal wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Wrong weed, Duran.

Middle-earth pipeweed was just a type of tobacco.
Well in that case, they're just dirty smokers. I'm surprised the "truth" people haven't started rallying against Peter Jackson for promoting smoking.

Though Bilbo did refer to it as a weed.
When you think about it, LoTR is the most pro-smoking movie in years. Saruman, incidentally, is an anti-smoker ("Your love of the Halfling's Leaf has clearly clouded your mind," spoken to Gandalf).

Except he had barrels of the stuff himself.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-18 12:57pm

Glitterstim has nothing in common with Menalge except that they are both drugs nicknamed spice you fool.

Oh, well excuse me but you forgot that Melange is essential to interstellar travel, but anyway...

Glitterstim boosts your mental powers and can mess up your perceptions of reality.

Funny, so does Melange...

Melange has life extending properties and, in enough amounts, can give you limited prescience.

Not to mention that Glitterstim (sp?) is created by big mysterious monsters that are poorly understood by those who harvest it (just like melange).

Close enough for me! ; )

Edit: Maybe that's the real reason that Vader is in a breathing apparatus... he was a chain smoker.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-18 02:43pm

Are you fucking brain damaged?

I said Melange gave limited prescience, i forgot to mention that this gift was used by Guild Navigators to see a safe path through fold space, boohoo. Funily enough i don't remember seeing Han spark up some glitterstim to make his hyperdrive work.

I also forgot to mention that the monsters your trying to equate to worms use the 'stim as a form of web.

Jesus your thicker than shite.

Drooling Iguana · Post by **Drooling Iguana** » 2004-02-18 04:31pm

Windu was certainly smoking when he got blasted by Jango Fett's flamethrower in AoTC...

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-02-18 05:42pm

I said Melange gave limited prescience, i forgot to mention that this gift was used by Guild Navigators to see a safe path through fold space, boohoo. Funily enough i don't remember seeing Han spark up some glitterstim to make his hyperdrive work.

I'm sure he did from time to time!

Jesus your thicker than shite.

I know you are, but what am I?

Speaking of thickness, why is it that whenever I try to make a comparison between two similar things in Dune and Starwars some fanboy always leaps up to screech that they're "not the same!"

Hell, I agree that even the confirmed inspirations for Star Wars (Flash Gordon and the Hidden Fortress) are far from exact analogs to the saga, but that doesn't mean we can't compare them.

Obviously spice in Star Wars isn't so prominent as in Dune, because in Dune they didn't have the technology to jump around space safely until thousands of years after the time of the first Dune trilogy (the time period most fans are familiar with). However, considering the powers it has, one would think that in the vacuum left by the Jedi such a commodity would be in high demand.

It's illegal at least in some places, since Han and others were able to make a an illicit living smuggling it. Other factors such as scarcity and perhaps side effects may have prevented its more widespread use.

Like the Tusken raiders, it's just another one of those passing mentioned things in the canon that adds a little, shall I say "spice" to the universe. The EU provides the backstory. But honestly, how can fellow SW fans deny that Lucas drew inspiration from a lot of other genres & nods to other sci fi in his universe?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-18 05:45pm

If you're suggesting that Tusken Raiders are rip-offs of Fremen, then you are indeed thick.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-02-18 07:24pm

It's worse, he thinks Spice Melange and Gliterstim Spice are basically the same thing, dispite the fact that the only thing they have in comon is the same nickname. I swear if i had a son that dumb i'd shoot him out of mercy.

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