Jedi expulsion

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-02-19 10:13pm

I was just watching AOTC, and there's something I can't figure out: why would the Jedi order voluntarily expel somebody? The impression I got was that expulsion comes after a serious violation of their code of ethics, so the expulee would probably not be the nicest and/or safest person to have running loose in the galaxy. Yet, if Dooku is any indication, no memory supression or mind-wipes are performed. So, you end up with a person of questionable character running around with all the skills and abilities of a Jedi, yet free and clear because they essentially let them loose! Are the Jedi that stupid, or did I miss something?

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2004-02-19 10:49pm

I guess they may go through sone analysis; to make sure these people are not corrupted. If they are not and they are released and become corrupted; the Jedi think he was always likely to fall into shadow. Thats how they must justify their logic.

Mordred · Post by **Mordred** » 2004-02-19 11:34pm

Was Dooku expelled from the order? My impression was that he simply left the order of his own accord.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-19 11:35pm

The Lost Twenty are the Jedi Masters who have voluntarily left the Order.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-20 12:25am

Perhaps you are confusing Dooku with what Obi-Wan screamed at Anakin; 'You will be expelled from the Jedi Order!'

During the Dooku chase?

justifier · Post by **justifier** » 2004-02-20 12:53am

Crown wrote:Perhaps you are confusing Dooku with what Obi-Wan screamed at Anakin; 'You will be expelled from the Jedi Order!'

During the Dooku chase?

I always figured that people who were expelled from the order spent the rest of their lives being watched without thier knowledge, not supported by the canon but not contradicted either.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-20 12:57am

Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-20 01:02am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.

Hmm. Wouldn't he still be tainted by the Dark Side?

Burak Gazan · Post by **Burak Gazan** » 2004-02-20 01:13am

That does bring up some interesting speculation for Ep III; does Anakin commit some further breach of the jedi code that warrants expulsion, or is it simply his marriage to Padme ? It's going to be interesting

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-20 01:13am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.

Really? Where is this from? I mean books, comics or games?

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-02-20 01:46am

Crown wrote: Really? Where is this from? I mean books, comics or games?

It's from the game Knights of the Old Republic.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-20 01:59am

Remember that even Mace Windu did not believe that an accomplished Jedi such as Dooku could really fall to the Dark Side: he says that "...it's not in his character," when asked whether or not Dooku could be fomenting rebellion. So there's definitely an element of arrogance there.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-20 02:55am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.
Hmm. Wouldn't he still be tainted by the Dark Side?

Also Jedi have very strong minds, would mind wipes work against them ?

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-20 05:56am

Burak Gazan wrote:That does bring up some interesting speculation for Ep III; does Anakin commit some further breach of the jedi code that warrants expulsion, or is it simply his marriage to Padme ? It's going to be interesting

I think hunting down the Jedi might breach the code

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-02-20 07:36am

And become a Dark Lord of the Sith; that kind of thing get's the Jedi Council irritated. And exterminated.

Remember, Anakin didn't so much *leave* the order than he *wiped it off the face of the galaxy*

Thag · Post by **Thag** » 2004-02-20 09:25am

Hmm...okay. I was under the impression that there were only two ways to leave the order, to be thrown out or killed.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2004-02-20 10:50am

Stofsk wrote: Remember, Anakin didn't so much *leave* the order than he *wiped it off the face of the galaxy*

There is always the chance that he'll be expelled before that happens though.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-02-20 11:33am

some of the various sourcebooks state that jedi may choose to leave the order for personal reasons. they return their lightsabers to the council and are then watched carefully in case they turn to the darkside.

there's also a technique that allows Jedi to blind other jedi from the force, so they can no longer use it. however it's rarely done and i think is only mentioned once during the sith war involving exar kun.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2004-02-20 01:01pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.

His mind got destroyed because of the crash, not because what the Jedi did to him. They actually gave him a past - if he had survived with his mind intact, they wouldn't have done it.

He was basically brain dead when they found him.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-02-20 06:56pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.
His mind got destroyed because of the crash, not because what the Jedi did to him. They actually gave him a past - if he had survived with his mind intact, they wouldn't have done it.

He was basically brain dead when they found him.

But he/she still still had memories beneath the surface, which came up periodically (the Star Maps, Bastila, Malak, etc.).

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-20 07:11pm

YT300000 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Darth Revan had his mind wiped after the Jedi captured him, upon which he began life anew and became a Jedi.
His mind got destroyed because of the crash, not because what the Jedi did to him. They actually gave him a past - if he had survived with his mind intact, they wouldn't have done it.

He was basically brain dead when they found him.
But he/she still still had memories beneath the surface, which came up periodically (the Star Maps, Bastila, Malak, etc.).

But so little it didn't matter to the Jedi Council.

Literally they recreated a past for Revan that didn't mirrior his/her own and what was saved by Bastilla was all that was left of Revan of old.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-02-20 10:07pm

I'm pretty sure Dooku wasn't expelled. He quit so he could take his title of Count or something. The former guardian of Ossus was stripped of his powers after some Sith thing corrupted him. I always assumed that really insane Dark Jedi were exiled to uninhabited planets or something, while simply rebellious ones (like how Anakin would've been labeled if he'd jumped from the transport to save Padme) were simply made to give back their saber and kicked out. Given the arrogance displayed by the Jedi in AOTC, I think they really might've just let these go and didn't have them watched.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2004-02-20 11:04pm

If memory serves, Ulic Qel-Droma was stripped of his Force powers after allying with Exar Kun, and then betraying him. Jedi obviously have the power to do this kind of thing.

Lt. Dan · Post by **Lt. Dan** » 2004-02-20 11:21pm

Even with out their sabers, they would have been far more dangerous than any normal being or monster.(force powers) I think it would be reckless to just boot them out with out them being tracked or watched.

This brings up the question, would they know they are being tracked?

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-02-21 12:06am

Durandal wrote:If memory serves, Ulic Qel-Droma was stripped of his Force powers after allying with Exar Kun, and then betraying him. Jedi obviously have the power to do this kind of thing.

Really? Just goes to show how far behind the 'NJO' really is to their originals.