hewhocaves wrote:lol.. because we require that civilian ships have the designation USS. Like the USS Minnow.
I stand corrected.
hewhocaves wrote:And yes, I do diregard civvie vessels, little bands of vagrants and countries that have about as much effect on Imperial policy as Monaco has on US policy.
The size of other forces respective to the U.S. has precisely no bearing on whether they direct to designation their ships thus, or whether we do.
hewhocaves wrote:As for the Chiss, whatever. If you feel like tossing them in and saying they're a big threat to the Empire, then more power to you.
Red herrings. The purpose of this discussion is to say, "if the Imperial Navy used this common real-world designation system, how would they?"
The most obvious English protocol analogy was provided, and you have responded by simply making something up with has not a single basis in real world protocol, Star Wars, or anything else.
hewhocaves wrote:then you obviously have no clue what the phrase 'client state' means. It may be distinct, but ultimately it's orders come higher than it's own soveriignity. see 'Finlandization'.
A client state still exercises its own military forces distinct and independent from the imperial power. Your point is a red herring. Before the Dominion of Canada was formally independent of the British Empire, it still sailed under "Her/His Majesty's Canadian Ship."
hewhocaves wrote:If anything, the empire is based on Imperial Rome, ruled absolutely by a single dictator with the barest pretenses of republicanism.
The Galactic Emperor is not a dictator; a dictator is a political leader who rules by powers granted in an emergency. (The Supreme Chancellor of the Galactic Senate and Galactic Republic
is, however, a dictator as of the passing of the Emergency Powers Act as seen in
Attack of the Clones.) The Galactic Empire is a despotate headed by a non-hereditary imperial monarch.
Fortunately, your bullshit about Rome is based on analogies which happen to be false.
The Galactic Republic is actually more centralized in political administration than the Galactic Empire: observe
The Phantom Menace; the blockade of a minor sectorial capital in the Rim by a shipping company's military forces warrants an appeal to the Galactic Senate. What kind of a system does that? What about the military forces and assembly of the Chommell Sector itself? What about a regional government? Only the
Galactic Senate is empowered to act on the violation of
a single world's soveriegnty? This is like an armed mob or labor strike afflicting a single city in the U.S. The National Guard and the state government should deal with it, not the U.S. Federal Government. Do not confuse military organization with the concentration of political power: the Galactic Senate and the Galactic Judiciary hold nearly all the political power of the old Republic. They were merely incompetant to implement, not powerless.
Constrast this with the Galactic Empire. In
A New Hope, the Imperial Senate is disbanded, granting the local Moff Governors
total control over their territory. The Original Trilogy depicts a decentralizing Empire. They administer an Empire-in-miniature in each sector: raising their own naval and army forces, operating divisions of COMPNOR, Imperial Intelligence, and with
carte blanche to deal with insurrection and piracy and terrorism within their territory (what do you think the Sector Groups were for?). While the Galactic Senate wringed its hands over the Naboo issue, a single sector's Moff had authorization to, at will, Base Delta Zero a world which defied him. They hold an incredible level of political power. According to both the
A New Hope novelisation by Alan Dean Foster and
The New Essential Guide to Characters by Daniel Wallace, HIM the Emperor Palpatine was increasingly an absentee ruler, delegating day-to-day decisions to his Grand Vizier, Sate Pestage, and his Advisor, Ars Dangor, while he retreated to his studies in the Dark Side of the Force. Meanwhile, the Rebellion was handled by his local Moffs and Grand Moffs. The Rebellion was of
no concern to him. Hardly the micromanaging overlord many (including the in-universe Rebels and subsequent Republicans, but they are politically niave and/or stupid, and should not be construed as disproving the vast sea of evidence to the contrary) have claimed he is.
hewhocaves wrote:This is not the hallmark of a 'decentralized federal state'.
You know little about the meaning of the word "federal" and less about Star Wars.
hewhocaves wrote:Why would they bother? Let them keep their own police forces, saves on labor costs. Who cares if they keep a fighter group or two when you can pound their planet to slag from orbit. You also have to consider that the empire was in it's first generation of existance. There are a lot of loose ends to tie up when you're administering thousands of worlds. Obviously, you take out the trouble ones first.
Funny that a mercenary group could slag the Mistryl homeworld, same as any Imperial star destroyer, no?
hewhocaves wrote:leave things in the hands of the regional governors (Who, we might recall after ANH have direct control over their systems. Yeah, real federated there.)
fed·er·al ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fdr-l, fdrl)
adj.
Of or constituting a form of government in which sovereign power is divided between a central authority and a number of constituent political units. (emphasis mine)
You imbecile. The fact that local sectorial governors had nigh-absolute power over their dominions proves federalism in the Empire. Unitarism would involve the bureaucracy or brass on Coruscant making each and every decision across the regions and localities of the Empire (much like the incompetent senators of the old Republic). Clearly, the local units of the Empire retain LARGE political powers.
"Federal" != "liberal republic".
You've proved nothing about why, in lieu of official evidence, one would choose an entirely fabricated system of designation intended to be in the place of something with a perfect analogy within the bounds of English protocol.
hewhocaves wrote:Therefore there is all the room in the world for disagreement; that's what forums are set up for. Now keep in mind that I never said that I would consider using these designations which are causing you such consternation. however, I still think that you should do a little self-introspection to try and figure out why the mere prospect of a opinion which differs from yours causes you such anguish. It'll lead to high blood pressure in later years.
While I appreciate your cloaked asshole behavior in the form of subtle armchair psychoanalysis and implications I have precisely no idea what I'm talking about, you have no justified why when in coming up with a prefered Star Wars in-universe application of the "USS" style designation one would choose to adopt your fabricated and redundant system in lieu of direct analogies with real-world navies that are inside the expectation of protocol in English.
