Star Wars Shielding

Shocker · Post by **Shocker** » 2004-03-12 04:05pm

I was watching an episode of Stargate SG-1 where Colonel O'Neill took his fighter, jumped it into hyperspace and bypassed Goa'uld shields. Now I was wondering if there is a way for Star Wars shields, most likely the planetary shields, to be able to be bypassed if travelling through another medium.

Such as Babylon 5 or Stargate hyperspace or even say Halo Slipspace? Or will the Star Wars shields have a defense against that? Or some other tactic?

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-12 04:07pm

seeing as to my knowledge star wars shields are only present in the regular universe, it might be possible to strike through them via alternate dimension, however calculating a hyperspace jump to do so would be damned tricky, as you'd have to be precise in the coordinates. otherwise, i don't see any reason they couldn't be bypassed through some type of dimensional gate method.

Tribun · Post by **Tribun** » 2004-03-12 04:57pm

But since shields in SW are hull-hugging, it is irrelevant anyway.....

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-03-12 05:01pm

Tribun wrote:But since shields in SW are hull-hugging, it is irrelevant anyway.....

he was referring to the planetary shields, mostly.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-03-12 05:07pm

The Holonet cannot be used when shielded, and I think the Holonet is hyperspace-based. So anything using SW-like hyperdrive could probably not get through. For something rather less connected to realspace like B5's hyperspace, I have no idea.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-12 05:34pm

Howedar wrote:The Holonet cannot be used when shielded, and I think the Holonet is hyperspace-based. So anything using SW-like hyperdrive could probably not get through. For something rather less connected to realspace like B5's hyperspace, I have no idea.

Holonet can't be used while shielded? Where did you get this from?

I am not sure if you could even get near planetary shields due to the planet's mass shadow in hyperspace. Can someone please tell me what would happen if you ran into the planet's shadow while in hyperspace?

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-03-12 05:34pm

Since hyperspace in SW is nothing but the normal universe viewed from a ftl-perspective, no.

Shocker · Post by **Shocker** » 2004-03-12 05:37pm

What about jamming?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-12 05:38pm

Techno_Union wrote:
Howedar wrote:The Holonet cannot be used when shielded, and I think the Holonet is hyperspace-based. So anything using SW-like hyperdrive could probably not get through. For something rather less connected to realspace like B5's hyperspace, I have no idea.
Holonet can't be used while shielded? Where did you get this from?

Official literature and the asteroid impact scene from ESB.

I am not sure if you could even get near planetary shields due to the planet's mass shadow in hyperspace. Can someone please tell me what would happen if you ran into the planet's shadow while in hyperspace?

You would die, because your ship would be destroyed.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2004-03-12 06:11pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Official literature and the asteroid impact scene from ESB.

Which books?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-12 07:19pm

Don't remember. One of them might be the Star Wars Sourcebook from West End Games, or whatever junk conversion Wizards of the Coast have out in its place.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-13 01:06am

How could the Falcon jump into hyperspace from beneath Byss' shielding?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-13 01:19am

Holonet/Hyperwave cannot be used when shields are raised (like in TESB as per the SWE.) This limitation was established in the AOTC ICS. Likewise, subspace communications ALSO cannot be used when shields are raised (as per Heir ot the Empire)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-13 01:22am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:How could the Falcon jump into hyperspace from beneath Byss' shielding?

1.) The Master Control Signal controlling the World Devastators was being transmitted from Byss (ref: Dark Empire trade paperback) and being routed through hyperspace. A bit hard to get the signal through if planetary shields are totally blocking them.

2.) They were allowed to escape remember (at least by Luke, possibly by Palpatine at that point.)? It is quite conceivable Luke arranged for such a "window" (much like he arranged for the destruction of some of the World Devastators, even though Palpy was letting him do it.)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-13 01:23am

And in some cases you actually can jump close to the gravity well of a planet or even inside the atmosphere, but its extremely extremely risky (so much so that its a rare, extrraordinary feat. Much like making very short range hyperspace jumps or changing direction in hyperspace.) The reason for this is largely a matter of coordinates (for example, in the Hutt Gambit, they needed Vuffi Raa's computational abilities, or the abilities of a droid of his rating, to achieve such a jump.)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-03-13 01:43am

If hyperspace jumps could bypass planetary shields, then hyperspace missiles would be a common method of defeating said shields. Certainly, no one would waste squadrons of capital warships on the task of bombarding a shield for days or weeks when a few hyperspace missiles would get the job done.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-13 01:45am

Connor MacLeod wrote:1.) The Master Control Signal controlling the World Devastators was being transmitted from Byss (ref: Dark Empire trade paperback) and being routed through hyperspace. A bit hard to get the signal through if planetary shields are totally blocking them.

The Master Control Signal allowed High Command on Byss to sieze control of the World Devestators remotely; why would a shield window not be opened only on an ad hoc basis, when it was necessary to do this?

Connor MacLeod wrote:2.) They were allowed to escape remember (at least by Luke, possibly by Palpatine at that point.)? It is quite conceivable Luke arranged for such a "window" (much like he arranged for the destruction of some of the World Devastators, even though Palpy was letting him do it.)

This is what I thought too, but its ugly: "Risking a high atmosphere burn up, Solo throws the Falcon into Lightdrive just in time to avoid collision with the planet's shield perimeter---" (from apparently the Radio Drama according to Ghost Rider).

Canon in ICS and elsewhere would contradict and presumably override this, but fixes are preferable....

Do you have any ideas? I'm blank on this one.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2004-03-13 03:49am

Maybe the shield window was closing ...

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-03-13 08:39am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:2.) They were allowed to escape remember (at least by Luke, possibly by Palpatine at that point.)? It is quite conceivable Luke arranged for such a "window" (much like he arranged for the destruction of some of the World Devastators, even though Palpy was letting him do it.)
This is what I thought too, but its ugly: "Risking a high atmosphere burn up, Solo throws the Falcon into Lightdrive just in time to avoid collision with the planet's shield perimeter---" (from apparently the Radio Drama according to Ghost Rider).

Canon in ICS and elsewhere would contradict and presumably override this, but fixes are preferable....

Do you have any ideas? I'm blank on this one.

I would venture it's concieveably easier to utilize said system to escape rather then figuring out how to get in. Perhaps the co-ordinates of figuring out where you would end up inside a shield is too tricky even with a bomb..

Also the said quote is from DE comic itself, Issue 5 on Page 19 Panel 1. If ICS and a few others of higher standing override it...I at best figure a pure luck manuver or at worst...the description failed to convey what really was happening.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-03-13 09:03pm

is there a way to delete posts? I misposted this

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-13 09:08pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote: The Master Control Signal allowed High Command on Byss to sieze control of the World Devestators remotely; why would a shield window not be opened only on an ad hoc basis, when it was necessary to do this?

Dark Empire Trade Paperback wrote: Finally, to prevent the World Devastators from acting independently, or falling into unfriendly hands, their complex artificial intelligence and computer guidance systems are regulated from the planet Byss, via a single Master Control Signal beamed through hyperspace.

It sounds to me at least like the MCS is utilized for more than just occasionally overriding the control of a rogue Devastator. Although even if there are periods when they have to beam through shields (or take down shields), Mike's point is still valid. In any event, even if they didn't block hyperspace signals, the fact that objects in realspacee still interact with hyperspace would not allow them to hyperspace through the shields (in fact, the shields would have to be opened to allow a signal to go through anyhow because the shields would still doubtless obscure them, just as they would obscure any object in hyperspace interacting with realspace objects.)

This is what I thought too, but its ugly: "Risking a high atmosphere burn up, Solo throws the Falcon into Lightdrive just in time to avoid collision with the planet's shield perimeter---" (from apparently the Radio Drama according to Ghost Rider).

Canon in ICS and elsewhere would contradict and presumably override this, but fixes are preferable....

Do you have any ideas? I'm blank on this one.

Objects in realspace interact with objects in hyperspace (to say nothing of the fact they need room for the run up to lightspeed). They'd still collide with the shield even in hyperspace unless the shield was down or otherwise not present, at least partially.

Thus it is pretty much a requirement either for either Luke to have acted to facilitate the Falcon's escape or they simply got lucky.

We don't have to assume the DE reference indicates shield was "up" prior to Han's jump to lightspeed - he could have executed the jump before they could (completely?) raise the shields to cut them off.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-03-13 09:23pm

A far far better question here is how the shielded World Devestators were able to recieve said signal.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-13 09:48pm

Ender wrote:A far far better question here is how the shielded World Devestators were able to recieve said signal.

They invariably are going to require use of some sort of hyperwave network if not the holonet itself to transmit signals (I doubt one could easily achieve LOS for any sort of transmission across hundreds or thousands of light years, particularily from the Deep Core.) Either they can use such nodes to order shields lowered for such communications (at least some sortts of standard comm signals apparently can pass through shields still) and then transmit the MCS signal, or (more likely) the World Devastators are programmed to communicate with Byss at preprogrammed intervals (or, quite possibly, are programmed to check the nodes for such signals at regular intervals.)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-03-14 12:35am

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Ender wrote:A far far better question here is how the shielded World Devestators were able to recieve said signal.
They invariably are going to require use of some sort of hyperwave network if not the holonet itself to transmit signals (I doubt one could easily achieve LOS for any sort of transmission across hundreds or thousands of light years, particularily from the Deep Core.) Either they can use such nodes to order shields lowered for such communications (at least some sortts of standard comm signals apparently can pass through shields still) and then transmit the MCS signal, or (more likely) the World Devastators are programmed to communicate with Byss at preprogrammed intervals (or, quite possibly, are programmed to check the nodes for such signals at regular intervals.)

Or they have a ship in orbit that has its shields down to recieve signals and retransmits them in a radio frequency (the fact that there were communications ships in orbit supports that)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-14 12:52am

HIMS Allegiance was knocked out early and I doubt for a failsafe system like that would depend on support craft.

I think Connor's idea has the most merit.