Mon Calamari shipyards

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-03-27 11:40am

Are there any figures how many ships the Mon Calamari can build at their shipyards?
I think there were some ship construction figures mentioned somerwhere in the NJO series. Hoping that someone here could give me a quote.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2004-03-27 01:11pm

They could build one cruiser every six months according to the Rebel Source book from WEG. That was pre Endor production.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-03-27 01:56pm

So they can deliver a large fleet of ships every 6 months? That is impressive.

But that does not really answer my question on how many ships can they produce. If they decided to cram up the whole shipyard for wartime production then how many ships will be completed in six months?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-27 02:12pm

He just said they could produce 1 MC80 cruiser every six months before Endor.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-03-27 02:24pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:He just said they could produce 1 MC80 cruiser every six months before Endor.

Sorry I read it wrong.

Any info on the shipyards during Thrawn era, or NJO era?

I have heard the Mon Calamari crammed out ships at a very fast rate during the NJO era, but have no idea from which book. But if true, it would appear their shipyard facilities has been expanded.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-03-27 09:09pm

Well, I remember one book in the Jedi Academy trilogy saying that the planet had taken such a pounding from the World Devestators that production of warships virtually stopped for awhile. So potential productivity of warships was probably very low for that one period.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2004-03-27 10:12pm

They are producing ships in the NJO era, fancy new ones too, but how well there output is isn't mentioned.

Agent R · Post by **Agent R** » 2004-03-28 12:11am

In Destiny's Way it says the Mon Calamari could produce cruisers at a faster rate if they would stop trying to make every single one different from all the others. Whatever the construction rate of the yards are now, there's likely to be a lot of room for improvement.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-03-28 01:32am

In the book "The Unifying Force" Im pretty sure i read that the Mon Cal shipyards were producing a great deal of ships getting ready for the "final battle at Mon Cal" that never really happend. The shipyards were also in charge of reparing some of the damaged Capital Ships, the other liberated shipyards on other planets were also building ships though to.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-03-28 10:53am

Well, assuming that the Mon Cal shipyards were similar in production to Fondor, they should be capable of building 100 craft simultaneously. (According to the NJO novel where the YV hit Fondor).

Of course, only a relatively minor portion of this will be of the 80,90 or Defender class.

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-03-28 03:35pm

I believe the Fondor shipyard built something like 30 heavy capital ships like star destroyers etc, and roughly 100 smaller support ships. If my memory serves me right.

100 Mon Cal cruisers sounds little too much, unless 30-50 are the larger ships (1.2 km - 2.8 km) and the rest the smaller cruisers. (500 m - 1 km)
In Vector Prime I believe there was a mentioning of a very large Mon Cal cruiser measuring at enourmus 2.8 km long that was crippled by a large explosion in its hangar bay.
So in NJO books it appears they are capable to build larger ships.

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-03-28 03:42pm

Dark Primus wrote:In Vector Prime I believe there was a mentioning of a very large Mon Cal cruiser measuring at enourmus 2.8 km long that was crippled by a large explosion in its hangar bay.

That would be the Mediator-type Star Cruiser.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-28 10:08pm

Black Admiral wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:In Vector Prime I believe there was a mentioning of a very large Mon Cal cruiser measuring at enourmus 2.8 km long that was crippled by a large explosion in its hangar bay.
That would be the Mediator-type Star Cruiser.

It was mentioned to be a battlecruiser in Vector prime.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-28 10:30pm

Dark Primus wrote:I believe the Fondor shipyard built something like 30 heavy capital ships like star destroyers etc, and roughly 100 smaller support ships. If my memory serves me right.

Agents of Chaos duology, the second book IIRC. It built them in somethin less than a year (but I think at least 5-6 months, though.)

100 Mon Cal cruisers sounds little too much, unless 30-50 are the larger ships (1.2 km - 2.8 km) and the rest the smaller cruisers. (500 m - 1 km)
In Vector Prime I believe there was a mentioning of a very large Mon Cal cruiser measuring at enourmus 2.8 km long that was crippled by a large explosion in its hangar bay.
So in NJO books it appears they are capable to build larger ships.

Depends on your source. According to some of the earlier WOTC material ("Starships of the Galaxy") seems to indicate they could build maybe some 80-100 Mon Cal cruisers in about 8-9 months (probably ideal conditions, and if they neglected other ships.) Dozens of warships at once in under a year does not seem improbable.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-28 10:41pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:He just said they could produce 1 MC80 cruiser every six months before Endor.

They also said they can build 1 frigate or corvette in a month.. you really think that would mean they build only one ship at a time? Most sources on their shipyards (again the aforementioned WOTC, etc.) indicate they do have more than one "yard" for constructing starships, so I would not generally consider that an "absolute" rate, but more the "per ship per dock" duration.

According to Rebel Alliance: Ships of the Fleet, they indicate they can complete a new cruiser within a few months (per orbital shipyard or per dock, it seems). Drawings in the book show an example of a yard, which appears to be several kilometers across and has two slots for cruisers as well as smaller slots for smaller ships (frigates and corvettes.. maybe half a dozen to a dozen slots for each there). They don't indicate how many such yards they had, ,but there were at least two (and indicated to be much more than that - the same drawing showed only two yards in one small part of the planet... probably dozens, or hundreds given the spacing)

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-28 10:48pm

Dark Primus wrote:So they can deliver a large fleet of ships every 6 months? That is impressive.

Connor, if you read, I was replying to that. It was clear for whatever reason he just thought they could build a flotilla of Mon Calamari cruisers every six months. I corrected him that the max with large vessels (comparable to common Imperial ships-of-the-line, anyway) is one every six months.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-29 12:09am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Dark Primus wrote:So they can deliver a large fleet of ships every 6 months? That is impressive.
Connor, if you read, I was replying to that. It was clear for whatever reason he just thought they could build a flotilla of Mon Calamari cruisers every six months. I corrected him that the max with large vessels (comparable to common Imperial ships-of-the-line, anyway) is one every six months.

There's nothign wrong with his inference, so why does it need correcting?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-29 12:30am

How does "a large fleet of starships every six months" follow from "one Mon Cal Star Cruiser" every six months?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-29 12:37am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:How does "a large fleet of starships every six months" follow from "one Mon Cal Star Cruiser" every six months?

first off, if youo're going to nitpick, lets get the definition clear first, shall we?

Rebel Alliance Sourcebook, page 48 wrote: "The Cals are tireless workers, driving themselves and their orbital ship-construction facilities far beyond capacity, but, even at this killing speed, they are capable of producing perhaps one frigate or corvette a month, or one cruiser every six months."

Which if taken literally, means they can produce either 2 Mon Cal cruisers per year OR 12 frigates/Corvettes per year. The fact that that interpretation suggestst hey only have enough room or personnel to produce a single starship at a time does not seem odd to you, especially considering some of the other examples/evidence being mentioned?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-29 12:39am

Yes, but his inference was not from that quote, Connor, it was from this:

Admiral Drason wrote:They could build one cruiser every six months according to the Rebel Source book from WEG. That was pre Endor production.

Therefore, I was pointing out he had no grounding for his inference based on the presented evidence. He even admitted it thereafter.

Dark Primus wrote:Sorry I read it wrong.

You presented that quote, much later.

What's the beef?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-03-29 05:10am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Yes, but his inference was not from that quote, Connor, it was from this:

Admiral Drason wrote:They could build one cruiser every six months according to the Rebel Source book from WEG. That was pre Endor production.
Therefore, I was pointing out he had no grounding for his inference based on the presented evidence. He even admitted it thereafter.

Dark Primus wrote:Sorry I read it wrong.
You presented that quote, much later.

I missed Dark Primus's concession, but even so, it doesn't impact my original post much, since that was dealign with the interpretation of "one ship every six months." Even if he misread it, his original assertion would still be correct (I would simply have been incorrect in assuming that was his original intention, rather than him having misread it.)

What's the beef?

Because you seem to be implying they can only build one ship every six months, which is ludicrous. If that is not what you meant, you should have said so in your first response to me.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-03-29 05:16am

On this subject - do the Mon Calamari have other shipyards than the ones orbiting Mon Cal itself? Given the fleets they've been able to muster, it certainly seems so...

Dark Primus · Post by **Dark Primus** » 2004-03-29 11:10am

Peregrin Toker wrote:On this subject - do the Mon Calamari have other shipyards than the ones orbiting Mon Cal itself? Given the fleets they've been able to muster, it certainly seems so...

Or they putting all their eggs into one basket.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-29 03:31pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:I missed Dark Primus's concession, but even so, it doesn't impact my original post much, since that was dealign with the interpretation of "one ship every six months." Even if he misread it, his original assertion would still be correct (I would simply have been incorrect in assuming that was his original intention, rather than him having misread it.)

I don't know what you're talking about. I never said anything about one ship overall. I said one Mon Cal cruiser every six months (repeating Admiral Drason), and then one "large ship" (which I defined as comparable to Imperial ships-of-the-line, ie. the ISD, which leads to the MC80 cruiser) every six months. Quite simply, Drason said that one MC80 could be built every six months, and Dark Primus said that a large fleet could be every six months, which was groundless.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Because you seem to be implying they can only build one ship every six months, which is ludicrous. If that is not what you meant, you should have said so in your first response to me.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:He just said they could produce 1 MC80 cruiser every six months before Endor.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Connor, if you read, I was replying to that. It was clear for whatever reason he just thought they could build a flotilla of Mon Calamari cruisers every six months. I corrected him that the max with large vessels (comparable to common Imperial ships-of-the-line, anyway) is one every six months.

I think we should deal with the meat of what I said, rather than whatever your "perception" is.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-03-29 08:53pm

Destiny's Way seems to imply that the Mon Calamari shipyards completely encircle the planet Mon Calamari, giving it a size comparable to the KDY orbital spacedocks.

The Fondor Yards were capable of constructing 30 Defender-class Star Destroyers in less than a year, in addition to several thousand other vessels for the Republican Space Navy. The construction worker in AoC also mentioned that the yards had not fallen behind schedule in the construction of the Star Destroyers, despite them having to quickly refit (as in a period of less than 2 months) several hundred NR warships. Fondor is most likely more efficient than Mon Calamari, as they are said to be the third largest shipyards in the Galaxy.

The Calamari Yards, are likely to be superior to the Bilbringi Space Yards, which at the time of SbS (which was in a period after the NR had decentrilized its warship construction) they were able to rush 2 Imperial-class Star Destroyers and approximately 500 smaller warships into service.