*Why* did Zaarin defect?

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-10-30 12:54am

Something they never fully explained in TIE....

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-30 01:08am

He wanted to take over. Pure and simple.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-10-30 01:37am

He seemed to be power hungry, but also intelligent enough to stand a chance at pulling it off. He had the means, and the motive is fairly self explanatory.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2002-10-30 03:10am

I guess the proper question should be "To what extent did Zaarin intend to rule?"
Did he really think he could take over the entire Empire? Obviously he had followers on the order of several thousand people, but that's insignificant next to the Empire. Did he intend to sway the loyalties of many more Imperials?
Stele engages his main force in the game, and that force would be easily put down by Piett's fleet at Endor. Perhaps he only wanted to take over a small part of the Empire.
Of all the things we don't know about his motives, we do know this: he was gravely mistaken if he thought he could get away with any defection. Such is the fate of enemies of the Empire.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 04:16am

He tried to kill the Emperor. Open and shut case.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 04:17am

Vympel wrote:He tried to kill the Emperor. Open and shut case.

Additionally, where does the 'Stele' thing come from?

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-10-30 04:25am

Vympel wrote: Additionally, where does the 'Stele' thing come from?

IIRC, that would be the game's main character, from the short novel that came with some of the original versions of TIE Fighter.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 05:26am

What's his full name? I wanna play TIE Fighter using that name now

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2002-10-30 05:31am

Vympel wrote:What's his full name? I wanna play TIE Fighter using that name now

In my game, that name was in the database from the beginning...

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 05:35am

I don't remember that being the case when I first played TIE Fighter back in 1994, or the Collector's CD in 95 (or was it 96) or the current Win 95 version I have now ..

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2002-10-30 05:35am

Vympel wrote:What's his full name? I wanna play TIE Fighter using that name now

Maarek Stele. And this is the info on him from the "Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia":

Stele, Maarek
only son of Kerek and Marina Stele, Maarek grew up like most young boys on backwater planets, racing swoops at breakneck speeds in his spare time. After the abduction of his father, Maarek and his mother hid in one of the planet's lesser-known cities, until his participation in a swoop stunt provided Maarek's name to the Bordali. They sent Gwadj to kidnap Maarek and Marina, but the Empire chose that very moment to invade the Taroon System. Maarek was taken away and conscripted as a repair technician. After a few months, Maarek was sufficiently knowledgeable about TIE fighters that he was allowed to take them for test runs after finishing repairs. On one such flight, near Farboon, he was the only fighter launched when Admiral Mordon's shuttle was intercepted by Alliance starfighters. Maarek came to his rescue, and was given a chance to become an Imperial pilot. He jumped at the chance, and went on to become one of the Empire's most fearsome TIE pilots. When Arden Lyn joined rogue Admiral Zaarin in an attempt to kidnap Emperor Palpatine, Maarek provided support to Darth Vader himself in preventing the coup. This earned him the attention of the Emperor, who recognized that Maarek had some sensitivity to the Force. He was later trained by the Prophets of the Dark Side, earning the rank of Tan, and in the wake of the Battle of Endor, he served with the 181st Imperial Fighter Group under Soontir Fel.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 05:37am

Cool.

Maarek Stele ... yes ... will go install TIE Fighter now ....

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-10-30 06:56am

I think Zaarin initially wanted to take over the Empire, hence his attempt to kidnap the Emperor (which was **I**, instead of Marek Stele, who actually rescued His Majesty from the traitorous Zaarin. Die, Zaarin. DIE DIE DIE!!!!

).

But after his kidnapping failed, I think he could only hope, at best, ruling a small portion of the Empire. His pitiful forces are no match against the whole Imperial Navy.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-10-30 08:41am

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:His pitiful forces are no match against the whole Imperial Navy.

That's Imperial STARFLEET, GENERAL Nurzaman. You may be one of the highest ranking, skilled pilots in the Emperor's STARFLEET; but I'll be damned if a lowly Stormtrooper can't correct you about simple matters of nomenclature

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-10-30 12:19pm

Vympel wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:His pitiful forces are no match against the whole Imperial Navy.
That's Imperial STARFLEET, GENERAL Nurzaman. You may be one of the highest ranking, skilled pilots in the Emperor's STARFLEET; but I'll be damned if a lowly Stormtrooper can't correct you about simple matters of nomenclature

"STARFLEET"? Where did you get that nomenclature anyway? IIRC it is Imperial Navy on many sources (including TF manual).

Oh... waidda minute, it is not the usual grudge between "grunts" and "flyboys", is it?

:: fires laser cannons at the Stormtrooper Transport carrying Vympel::
MUAHAHAHAHA

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-10-30 12:31pm

Vympel wrote:Cool.

Maarek Stele ... yes ... will go install TIE Fighter now ....

Just FYI, if you're using WinXP, you should set compatibility mode to Win 95. Otherwise it wouldn't run... And the SFX or MIDI music may not run at all with certain soundcards. I once fixed the problem by **repeatedly** running the setup program until the sounds can be heard (using Sound Blaster compatible for SFX and General MIDI for the music), but I don't know if the solution can work again in other circumstances.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-30 01:51pm

It should be noted at least two other Grand Admirals went rogue besides Zaarin, although this was post-Endor.

The Imperial "Navy" has been referred to as a "star fleet" before both in canon (primary and secondary - anyone remember the Dodonna quote? But also quite a bit in the Radio dramas) But in most contexts, "star fleet" seems to refer to a segment of the overall navy, not the entire navy itself. (IIRC the Death Squadron was called a "star fleet" in TESB Radio drama.)

RedWizard · Post by **RedWizard** » 2002-10-30 02:45pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:His pitiful forces are no match against the whole Imperial Navy.
That's Imperial STARFLEET, GENERAL Nurzaman. You may be one of the highest ranking, skilled pilots in the Emperor's STARFLEET; but I'll be damned if a lowly Stormtrooper can't correct you about simple matters of nomenclature
"STARFLEET"? Where did you get that nomenclature anyway? IIRC it is Imperial Navy on many sources (including TF manual).

ANH
Motti: "Dangerous to your Starfleet, Commander, not to this battlestation."
Dodonna: "The battlestation is heavily shielded and carries a firepower greater than half the Starfleet."

ESB
"Evading the dreaded Imperial Starfleet, a group a freedom fighters led by Luke Skywalker has established a new secret base on the remote ice world of Hoth."

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2002-10-31 02:16am

Oh

::hiding inside pilot's locker::

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2002-10-31 03:54am

after what i read(but that maybe wrong, the translations are full of mistakes...) zaarin wanted to capture the emperor as hostage, and declare himself as the new emperor...so he wouldn't have to fight the imperial starfleet

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2002-10-31 09:05am

Imperial Flight Officer before saving Emperor wrote:Admiral Zaarin has committed the ultimate deceit. While feigning support in the battle against Harkov's forces, Zaarin is attempting to overthrow the Emperor by abducting him from his Imperial Star Destroyer at Coruscant.

The Imperial Officer guy says that Zaarin wants to take control of the Empire by kidnapping Palpatine. Attacking the Emperor directly would be much easier than trying to fight the millions of ships.

Imperial Flight Officer after saving Emperor wrote:We can only guess at what provoked Zaarin to attempt his coup d'etat.

This is what the officer in the game tells you concerning the subject of this thread.

The quotes are copied from the missions within the game itself

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-31 09:31am

Seggybop wrote:
Imperial Flight Officer before saving Emperor wrote:Admiral Zaarin has committed the ultimate deceit. While feigning support in the battle against Harkov's forces, Zaarin is attempting to overthrow the Emperor by abducting him from his Imperial Star Destroyer at Coruscant.
The Imperial Officer guy says that Zaarin wants to take control of the Empire by kidnapping Palpatine. Attacking the Emperor directly would be much easier than trying to fight the millions of ships.

The funny thing is, Palpatine would have killed him the instant they met face to face.

hvb · Post by **hvb** » 2002-10-31 10:18am

Right Eleas.
It would appear he kept his Sith affiliation, or at least powers, secret from his GAs, or at least some of them. Typical of Palpy: wheels within wheels, most wheels blind to each other.

Wise policy: If Zaarin had succeded Palpy would have has an ace up his sleeve & Zaarin a burr op his (insert appropriate piece of anatomy)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-10-31 02:33pm

True, although Vader's haste in rescuing the Emperor indicates there might be SOME chance he would be killed, even if he could take care of Zaarin's whole fleet singlehandedly (accidents do happen.)

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-10-31 03:57pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:True, although Vader's haste in rescuing the Emperor indicates there might be SOME chance he would be killed, even if he could take care of Zaarin's whole fleet singlehandedly (accidents do happen.)

Indeed. Even Sith Lords are endangered by exploding reactors, capital scale turbolasers and suchlike.

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Why did Zaarin defect?

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