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There is a minor debate on SB.com here, and in it someone brings up a lightsaber can't go through shields (never specified what type of shields but mostly SW).

So my question is, how are lightsabers affected by shields in SW?

Those red energy field in TPM at the end battle between Sith and Jedi, were they "shield" types or what? I ask this becuase they stopped a lightsaber for the time they were in contact (not very long but still).

Techno_Union wrote:Those red energy field in TPM at the end battle between Sith and Jedi, were they "shield" types or what? I ask this becuase they stopped a lightsaber for the time they were in contact (not very long but still).

They were both particle and ray shields. Ray because they stopped lightsabres, and particle because Obi-Wan didn't just deactivate his sabre and run through them.

That's not definate proof that they were both. Considering that IIRC, Ray shields can still cause physical injury from contact.

The laser doors (their official name) could still be either/or, in my opinion, but not nessesarily both simultaneously. Though I'm leaning towards ray shields.

In "Before the storm", Luke was able to use a lightsaber to cut through a personal shield to kill the person beneath, so they obviously CAN interact with shields (which would make sense to anyone who bothered to think about it - lightsabers emit energy, so they must be subject to devices that absorb/dissipate energy, like deflectors.)

I suppose if you were talking about in other non-SW universes, it would depend on the kind of shield in question.

Hey Connor, do you happen to know how much force he used, or if the lightsaber just went right through without stopping?

From HDS's Quotes & Extract Database :

Before the Storm wrote:The first man he had disarmed projected a personal shield, which blunted Luke's initial stroke. But the blow took the man to his knees all the same. The next stroke, with the power of the lightsaber married to the will of a Jedi Master, sliced through the shield and deep into the assailant's chest.

Luke even had to increase the strength of his blow with the Force to get through a personal shield. Possibly, droideka shields might be beyond most Jedi's ability to break through.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's not definate proof that they were both. Considering that IIRC, Ray shields can still cause physical injury from contact.

The laser doors (their official name) could still be either/or, in my opinion, but not nessesarily both simultaneously. Though I'm leaning towards ray shields.

What where those shields there for in the first place? If their purpose was to stop gases or something, then we know they are particle shields too.

Besides, lightsabres have a thin metal-looking rod in their center when deployed is ANH is any indication, so it makes sense that they can interact with shields.

Gil Hamilton wrote:Besides, lightsabres have a thin metal-looking rod in their center when deployed is ANH is any indication, so it makes sense that they can interact with shields.

Wasn't it a SFX glitch that was deleted in the newer version ?

The Nomad wrote:Wasn't it a SFX glitch that was deleted in the newer version ?

I don't know. All I know is that during the Obi-wan/Vader fight, Ben's lightsabre goes out several times and there is a thin metal-like rod there. Normally I'd agree it's a SFX error, but I'm pretty sure that Suspending Disbelief means that there are no bugs, only features.

Please don't start that again, Gil.

YT3: The laser doors' purpose was to block excess plasma, I think.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Please don't start that again, Gil.

Start what now? As SW:ANH establishes there is a rod smack in the middle of Obi-wan's lightsabre, which you can see when the glowing part flickers out occasionally.

Don't start being an ass and argue against things like SOD based on known effects errors when you fucking know better, Gil.

The last time this happened was when you seemed to have randomly gotten a hair up your ass and just decided to act like a dick.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Don't start being an ass and argue against things like SOD based on known effects errors when you fucking know better, Gil.

The last time this happened was when you seemed to have randomly gotten a hair up your ass and just decided to act like a dick.

And here you go acting like the fucking self appointed message board police. How's about you stop being an anal retentive loser and mind your own fucking business?

Unfortunately for you, even if they really are SFX errors, we cannot treat them as SFX errors due to Suspension of Disbelief. Just consider how many honest-to-god SFX errors regarding blasters and turbolasers have be treated as real before you decide to arbitrarily decide that this is of no consequence.

You see? You're fucking doing it all over again.

You're seriously arguing that it should be accepted that since the metal rods used for the lightsabres during filming could be seen in a couple of shots in ANH, it should be regarded that lightsabres have such metal rods in their centres in the fictional setting. To me that's just being an ass, since all you're doing is deciding to randomly bitch about SoD.

Honestly, it's you who right now needs to shut up and mind their own fucking business.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:You see? You're fucking doing it all over again.

You're seriously arguing that it should be accepted that since the metal rods used for the lightsabres during filming could be seen in a couple of shots in ANH, it should be regarded that lightsabres have such metal rods in their centres in the fictional setting. To me that's just being an ass, since all you're doing is deciding to randomly bitch about SoD.

We accept other SFX errors as real, like the faint square around TIE Fighters being shields (even though it was imperfect blue screening) and blasters bolts doing odd things (ILM never was perfect) or the dozens of other bloopers that happen in StarWars that people explain away. We have to accept this as canon, if we accept any SFX errors at all as canon. It happened more than once as well. After Vader "slays" Obi-Wan and Luke shoots the door closed, Vader lightsabre has the metal rod thing going rather than it glowing red as it normally does.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Honestly, it's you who right now needs to shut up and mind their own fucking business.

Except that my original post was on topic and relevant, while the only thing you've been doing in this thread is acting like the Asshole of the Message Board police. I'm suprised you haven't found any typos to nitpick, given how pathetic your efforts have been thus far.

Gil Hamilton wrote:We accept other SFX errors as real, like the faint square around TIE Fighters being shields (even though it was imperfect blue screening)

Perhaps you would like to explain why this particular 'imperfect blue screening error' still resides with STAR WARS A New Hope Special Edition. Or why we don't see more of it?

Gil Hamilton wrote:We accept other SFX errors as real, like the faint square around TIE Fighters being shields (even though it was imperfect blue screening)

Matte boxes are NOT the basis for the arguement for TIE deflector shields, you idiot: shield flashes during the Falcon-TIE dogfight in ANH are...

Jesus, now you're being purposely obtuse.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Matte boxes are NOT the basis for the arguement for TIE deflector shields, you idiot: shield flashes during the Falcon-TIE dogfight in ANH are...

Jesus, now you're being purposely obtuse.

I've heard the matte boxes used as evidence for TIE shields before, here and on SB.com. I wasn't contesting the existance of shields themselves.

Well I personally haven't, and anybody who uses the matte boxes as evidence for shields for anything is honestly a fucking idiot...

Gil Hamilton wrote:I've heard the matte boxes used as evidence for TIE shields before, here and on SB.com. I wasn't contesting the existance of shields themselves.

I've never seen such an argument. But in any case, AFAIK we don't use SFX glitches as evidence unconditionally. For example, I've never seen anyone claim that TIE fighters are sometimes equipped with phase cloaks..

nightmare wrote:

Gil Hamilton wrote:I've heard the matte boxes used as evidence for TIE shields before, here and on SB.com. I wasn't contesting the existance of shields themselves.

I've never seen such an argument. But in any case, AFAIK we don't use SFX glitches as evidence unconditionally. For example, I've never seen anyone claim that TIE fighters are sometimes equipped with phase cloaks..

Turbolaser passing through A-wing.

TPM explicitly demonstrates that typical SW metal will not survive contact with a lightsaber blade. Although of lower canon status, many SW game plots revolve partly around a metal that is partly resistant to lightsabers (note that this in and of itself is considered exceptional, ie there are no metals that are completely resistant).

TESB demonstrates that Imperial armor and/or structure (on AT-ATs) cannot resist lightsabers.

As it explicitly contradicts TPM and TESB, we can conclusively say that the fight in the DS1 in ANH does not demonstrate metal rods inside lightsabers. Whatever alternate interprtation is devised, I do not know. However, the ANH events are open to interpretation while the TPM events are not.

So...in earlier sci-fi movies, where we can see the wires being used to hold the models for starships up, does that prove they're all being dangled from some uber-mothership directly above, and that directed gravity is being used to hold the lines in the same direction?