What ever happened to Maarek Steele?

[RayCav of ASVS]

Did they just let him die at Endor? Because that would really suck TOWNMBS' ass to hell.

[Vympel]

He wasn't present at Endor. He was with Thrawn awaiting the news of victory at Endor, according to TIE Fighter.

Maaannn ... shiiiiiitttt ... if Maarek Stele had been there he would handed Wedge Antilles PUSSY ass to him. And Lando ... sleazy big mo motherfucka.

[Stormbringer]

He wasn't present at Endor. He was with Thrawn awaiting the news of victory at Endor, according to TIE Fighter.

Maaannn ... shiiiiiitttt ... if Maarek Stele had been there he would handed Wedge Antilles PUSSY ass to him. And Lando ... sleazy big mo motherfucka.

No pussy would take down Wedge. He's fought the Empire's best and won. No way would he buy it there.

[RayCav of ASVS]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

[Vympel]

He wasn't present at Endor. He was with Thrawn awaiting the news of victory at Endor, according to TIE Fighter.

Maaannn ... shiiiiiitttt ... if Maarek Stele had been there he would handed Wedge Antilles PUSSY ass to him. And Lando ... sleazy big mo motherfucka.

No pussy would take down Wedge. He's fought the Empire's best and won. No way would he buy it there.

Because he's obviously never fought Maarek Stele. Greatest pilot in the Empire

[Vympel]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

You tell him Raycav.

[hvb]

Technically Steele (& Fel) are also NR creations.

What if Palpatine had forseen the Real Endor and brought in Steele, Fel & some 181'ers on the shy? That would be easyer to hide then a move by capships. With them present look as good the core entry chase would not for the rebels me thinks

[hvb]

Fuck, I ment EU, not NR. (same shit, different angle)

[Stormbringer]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

Look at what he did IN the DS2. That takes a lot of skill, he's a great pilot make no mistake about that.

[RayCav of ASVS]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

Look at what he did IN the DS2. That takes a lot of skill, he's a great pilot make no mistake about that.

I'm talking about the EU's habit of mowing down Imps mecessly. Makes me think some of the authors have a blood lust or something.

[Stormbringer]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

Look at what he did IN the DS2. That takes a lot of skill, he's a great pilot make no mistake about that.

I'm talking about the EU's habit of mowing down Imps mecessly. Makes me think some of the authors have a blood lust or something.

I agree with you on that. Some of that's just authors wanking. But Wedge is a good pilot even with just canon.

[Vympel]

Those two TIE Interceptors were respectable pilots- but they took way too few shots at the Falcon/ Wedge's X-Wing. They were probably too busy trying to avoid hitting superstructure.

[Alyeska]

post movie Wedge is a creation of NR loving wankfest fanboy writers of B&B quality

When your in an X-Wing going up against people in unshielded Ties and you have been able to learn from your mistakes because of shields, hyperspace, and ejection seats while your going up against "newbie" pilots who don't have the advantages to learn from their mistakes, that counts for a LOT. Add on to that the fact that Wedge is really freaking good. Sure Luke was good, but the whole point behind Wedge is that some people are so skilled that not even Jedi can really touch them.

[Alyeska]

Look at what he did IN the DS2. That takes a lot of skill, he's a great pilot make no mistake about that.

I'm talking about the EU's habit of mowing down Imps mecessly. Makes me think some of the authors have a blood lust or something.

I agree with you on that. Some of that's just authors wanking. But Wedge is a good pilot even with just canon.

Wedge is the only non-major character to survive all three of the original triology movies. Survived Yavin, only 2 X-wings and 1 Y-Wing survived. Survived Hoth and that was no more then half a dozen pilots and rear gunners surviving, then he survived Endor AND the DS run which had only 3 snub-fighters survive.

[MKSheppard]

When your in an X-Wing going up against people in unshielded Ties and you have been able to learn from your mistakes because of shields, hyperspace, and ejection seats while your going up against "newbie" pilots who don't have the advantages to learn from their mistakes, that counts for a LOT. Add on to that the fact that Wedge is really freaking good. Sure Luke was good, but the whole point behind Wedge is that some people are so skilled that not even Jedi can really touch them.

GODFUCKING DAMMIT! Han fucking SOLO was a Imperial Academy Graduate,
and only Imp Academy Grads are even allowed anywhere NEAR TIE FIGHTERS.

The next person who suggests TIE pilots are inexperienced will get their
head bitten off by me!

The SW movies and EU novels make the entire Rebellion seem like
a bunch of morons who have 6 hours of flight sim time actually WINNING
againts the best of the Imperial Navy.....less than 1% of the entire
Imperial navy pilot corps drives TIEs, and you have to go through
YEARS of training to get those TIE wings.....

[Kuja]

When your in an X-Wing going up against people in unshielded Ties and you have been able to learn from your mistakes because of shields, hyperspace, and ejection seats while your going up against "newbie" pilots who don't have the advantages to learn from their mistakes, that counts for a LOT. Add on to that the fact that Wedge is really freaking good. Sure Luke was good, but the whole point behind Wedge is that some people are so skilled that not even Jedi can really touch them.

GODFUCKING DAMMIT! Han fucking SOLO was a Imperial Academy Graduate,
and only Imp Academy Grads are even allowed anywhere NEAR TIE FIGHTERS.

The next person who suggests TIE pilots are inexperienced will get their
head bitten off by me!

The SW movies and EU novels make the entire Rebellion seem like
a bunch of morons who have 6 hours of flight sim time actually WINNING
againts the best of the Imperial Navy.....less than 1% of the entire
Imperial navy pilot corps drives TIEs, and you have to go through
YEARS of training to get those TIE wings.....

That was all before Endor, Shep. After that, as the Empire slowly lost ground to the Rebs, they starte putting younger and younger pilots in the TIEs.

[Alyeska]

When your in an X-Wing going up against people in unshielded Ties and you have been able to learn from your mistakes because of shields, hyperspace, and ejection seats while your going up against "newbie" pilots who don't have the advantages to learn from their mistakes, that counts for a LOT. Add on to that the fact that Wedge is really freaking good. Sure Luke was good, but the whole point behind Wedge is that some people are so skilled that not even Jedi can really touch them.

GODFUCKING DAMMIT! Han fucking SOLO was a Imperial Academy Graduate,
and only Imp Academy Grads are even allowed anywhere NEAR TIE FIGHTERS.

The next person who suggests TIE pilots are inexperienced will get their
head bitten off by me!

The SW movies and EU novels make the entire Rebellion seem like
a bunch of morons who have 6 hours of flight sim time actually WINNING
againts the best of the Imperial Navy.....less than 1% of the entire
Imperial navy pilot corps drives TIEs, and you have to go through
YEARS of training to get those TIE wings.....

That was all before Endor, Shep. After that, as the Empire slowly lost ground to the Rebs, they starte putting younger and younger pilots in the TIEs.

Prior to Endor the Imps had the best in the Accademy. Thats where you got half the Rebellion pilots even (Bigs, Cracken, Chelchu, etc...). Yavin reflected this becaue both sides took "similar" losses. It was after Endor that things went downhill QUICKLY for the Empire. The Rebellion had fighters that could afford the pilot to make one or two mistakes and learn from it. Not so when flying a Tie.

[MKSheppard]

Prior to Endor the Imps had the best in the Accademy. Thats where you got half the Rebellion pilots even (Bigs, Cracken, Chelchu, etc...). Yavin reflected this becaue both sides took "similar" losses. It was after Endor that things went downhill QUICKLY for the Empire. The Rebellion had fighters that could afford the pilot to make one or two mistakes and learn from it. Not so when flying a Tie.

You stupid fucktwat.....do you have any IDEA of how large a trained pilot
cadre the Empire had?

You have 1.8 million TIE pilots on ISDs ALONE, and those guys were the
Top 1% of the Top 1% of all Imperial Pilots (you know, the ones who got
accepted into TIE training in the first place).

And then you have the countless deep space platforms full of TIE pilots
who while they aren't as good as the ISD d00ds, still got the same amount
of training, just that they didn't make the final cut...

A decline in the trained imperial pilot cadre simply CANNOT happen in the
time frame depicted in the X-Wing Book series.....

[Alyeska]

Prior to Endor the Imps had the best in the Accademy. Thats where you got half the Rebellion pilots even (Bigs, Cracken, Chelchu, etc...). Yavin reflected this becaue both sides took "similar" losses. It was after Endor that things went downhill QUICKLY for the Empire. The Rebellion had fighters that could afford the pilot to make one or two mistakes and learn from it. Not so when flying a Tie.

You stupid fucktwat.....do you have any IDEA of how large a trained pilot
cadre the Empire had?

You have 1.8 million TIE pilots on ISDs ALONE, and those guys were the
Top 1% of the Top 1% of all Imperial Pilots (you know, the ones who got
accepted into TIE training in the first place).

And then you have the countless deep space platforms full of TIE pilots
who while they aren't as good as the ISD d00ds, still got the same amount
of training, just that they didn't make the final cut...

A decline in the trained imperial pilot cadre simply CANNOT happen in the
time frame depicted in the X-Wing Book series.....

And do you realize that when you have a navy THAT large and is only pulling from the Human people source that your going to have rather large numbers of idiots making it into the cockpit. Do you also not realize that mock combat is not the same as real combat. The fact that Rebell pilots can make a mistake and learn from it is a MAJOR advantage, one that more then one author has touched on. The Imp pilots prior to the war outbreak were somewhat decent (some good, some bad) but they didn't have the dedicated combat experience needed to make a really good pilot. Then you factor in that any mistake or even dumbluck is instant death for a tie-pilot. Well you start to see the advantages the Rebels had. They have better fighters, they drew some of their pilots from the Imperial rank (back when it was still high up there), could be afforded more mistakes while still surviving, etc...

You seem to be the one who can't simply fathom how it works. The fact that these authors had to get PERMISSION to write about these people kinda says that your speculation has lower status then what really went on.

[MKSheppard]

And do you realize that when you have a navy THAT large and is only pulling from the Human people source that your going to have rather large numbers of idiots making it into the cockpit.

Again, you stupid fucktwat, do you have any IDEA how large the SW
galaxy is? Even if I instituted really strict standards, I'd still have more
than enough intelligent people to meet my requirements.

Do you also not realize that mock combat is not the same as real combat. The fact that Rebell pilots can make a mistake and learn from it is a MAJOR advantage, one that more then one author has touched on. The Imp pilots prior to the war outbreak were somewhat decent (some good, some bad)

*Sigh*

For 95% of the Rebellion's history, their starfighter force consisted of
a bunch of buttfuckers who got 6 hours of flight simulator training
TOTAL before being thrown into the cockpit of a fucking X-Wing,
and going up against highly trained Imperial Pilots who have
THOUSANDS OF HOURS of flight training, as well as countless
hundreds of hours more of SIMULATED COMBAT in REAL FIGHTERS,
not sims.

Even by ENDOR, the rebellion was hideously short on pilots with ACTUAL
combat experience, because they kept getting slaughtered by imperial
pilots....it was only after the NR became an established government that
they were able to raise training standards for their pilots, and to be able
to put an end to the practice of using MECHANICS...FUCKING MECHANICS
as replacements for KIA pilots.

You seem to be the one who can't simply fathom how it works. The fact that these authors had to get PERMISSION to write about these people kinda says that your speculation has lower status then what really went on.

fucking KJA fucking got permission to write in the fucking SW universe.

That fucking says it all, you fucking asstard.

Have I made my point through the repeated use of expletives?

[Kuja]

Again, you stupid fucktwat, do you have any IDEA how large the SW
galaxy is? Even if I instituted really strict standards, I'd still have more
than enough intelligent people to meet my requirements.

Intelligent. Experienced. See the difference, Shep?

*Sigh*

For 95% of the Rebellion's history, their starfighter force consisted of
a bunch of buttfuckers who got 6 hours of flight simulator training
TOTAL before being thrown into the cockpit of a fucking X-Wing,
and going up against highly trained Imperial Pilots who have
THOUSANDS OF HOURS of flight training, as well as countless
hundreds of hours more of SIMULATED COMBAT in REAL FIGHTERS,
not sims.

Where in the sam hill fuck did you pull that number from?

Even by ENDOR, the rebellion was hideously short on pilots with ACTUAL
combat experience, because they kept getting slaughtered by imperial
pilots....it was only after the NR became an established government that
they were able to raise training standards for their pilots, and to be able
to put an end to the practice of using MECHANICS...FUCKING MECHANICS
as replacements for KIA pilots.

You're mistaking a lack of recruitment ability for a KIA count.

fucking KJA fucking got permission to write in the fucking SW universe.

That fucking says it all, you fucking asstard.

Have I made my point through the repeated use of expletives?

Only to yourself.