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TIE Defender vs X-Wing
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:07am
by Sarevok
How would the Rebellion's premier space superiority fighter do against a TIE Defender ?
Re: TIE Defender vs X-Wing
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:18am
by Chris OFarrell
evilcat4000 wrote:How would the Rebellion's premier space superiority fighter do against a TIE Defender ?
The T-65C? It would die unless a good pilot was in it. Wedge shot down a Defender in a T-65C when flying against an Ace Imperial pilot, but took quite a bit of damage from the combat.
The later model X-Wings like the XJ and XJ3 outclass the base Defender quite a bit.
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:25am
by Vympel
Why do they outclass it?
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:35am
by Chris OFarrell
Vympel wrote:Why do they outclass it?
The XJ3 especialy is the result of the massive technological advances made against the Vong. Technology actualy increased quite a bit in this period as opposed to the more static movements SW usualy has.
The XJ3 excedes the acceleration curve of the Defender and matchs its manouvering abilities. Its shields are more advanced and have a snap regeneration ability, designed to defeat void shield grabing of Corralskipers. They also have three missile tubes instead of two, each of which loads IIRC five missiles per tube. The lasers have stutterfire ability (which isn't exactly relevent I guess).
Not that the Defender is a BAD fighter, its just that the state of the art from 20 years ago is outclassed by the state of the art in the NJO era.
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:38am
by Vympel
Is there an Imperial equivalent to the XJ3?
What are the official T-65x designations anyway? "XJ" just sounds stupid.
Posted: 2004-08-08 04:43am
by Chris OFarrell
Vympel wrote:Is there an Imperial equivalent to the XJ3?
Not to my knowedlge. But the IR doesn't have a fraction of the resources of the New Republic. That the Tie Defender has apparently come into widespread production in the NJO era is quite astonishing in of itself. But I can't see them wasting money on R&D for a whole new fighter.
The Defender is still a solid fighter deisgn, only slightly behind the XJ3. It probably is all but equal to the XJ standard.
What are the official T-65x designations anyway? "XJ" just sounds stupid.
I've always wondered that as well. Why not the T-65 D or E or something. But I *THINK* its because Icom may not have actualy designed the XJ. Though they were licenced to produce them once the war kicked off.
Posted: 2004-08-08 05:23am
by nightmare
Chris OFarrell wrote:The Defender is still a solid fighter deisgn, only slightly behind the XJ3. It probably is all but equal to the XJ standard.
Not that RPG statistics are much to go by, but they suggest you are right.
Posted: 2004-08-08 05:26am
by Crazedwraith
Vympel wrote:Is there an Imperial equivalent to the XJ3?
What are the official T-65x designations anyway? "XJ" just sounds stupid.
I the Official Desginations are "XJ" and "XJ3" X-Wings. To Contrast the T-65A3s Rogue Squad was using at the beinging of the war.
Re: TIE Defender vs X-Wing
Posted: 2004-08-08 07:54am
by FTeik
Chris OFarrell wrote:evilcat4000 wrote:How would the Rebellion's premier space superiority fighter do against a TIE Defender ?
The T-65C? It would die unless a good pilot was in it. Wedge shot down a Defender in a T-65C when flying against an Ace Imperial pilot, but took quite a bit of damage from the combat.
Given that we are talking about Wedge Antilles here and that the so-called Ace Imperial-pilots shot with ion-cannons at Tycho Celchu (instead of using the lasers) in "Starfighters for Adumar", this doesn´t come as a surprise to me.
The later model X-Wings like the XJ and XJ3 outclass the base Defender quite a bit.
What made the Defender the superior fighter for almost twenty years.
Posted: 2004-08-08 10:47am
by Illuminatus Primus
Vympel wrote:Is there an Imperial equivalent to the XJ3?
What are the official T-65x designations anyway? "XJ" just sounds stupid.
The T-65 X-Wing is produced and owned now by Fri'Tech, Inc., just like the E-Wing.
Anyhow, I refer to the XJ and XJ3 X-Wings as T-65Js and T-65JA3 (or should it be T-65J3?).
Anyway, their related to the X-Wing how the F/A-18E/F Super (Sewer) Hornet is to the original F/A-18C Hornet. They added a meter, new guns, a third torpedo tube (or perhaps that's on the J3/JA3 upgrade) and over a meter to the overall spaceframe with new engines.
Posted: 2004-08-08 11:41am
by Praxis
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
The T-65 X-Wing is produced and owned now by Fri'Tech, Inc., just like the E-Wing.
Anyhow, I refer to the XJ and XJ3 X-Wings as T-65Js and T-65JA3 (or should it be T-65J3?).
Anyway, their related to the X-Wing how the F/A-18E/F Super (Sewer) Hornet is to the original F/A-18C Hornet. They added a meter, new guns, a third torpedo tube (or perhaps that's on the J3/JA3 upgrade) and over a meter to the overall spaceframe with new engines.
Fri'Tech? I thought they were produced and owned by Incom.
Posted: 2004-08-08 11:45am
by Illuminatus Primus
The X-Wing was initially developed by Incom Corporation, but the X-Wing design and engineering team stole the prototypes and defected to the Rebellion. The Empire subsequently nationalized Incom, and when the New Republic was founded the Incom team founded Fri'Tech, Inc., which would develop the E-Wing, and future X-Wings.
Posted: 2004-08-08 12:28pm
by phongn
There are two different designation schemes. One of them is T-65AC
n, where n is some incrementing number. The other uses incrementing letters appended to T-65. The two, IIRC, are mutually incompatible. The make things zanier, you can append more stuff onto the second scheme (e.g. T-65C-A2).
AFAIK, the J-series introduced the third missile tube, but each tube carries the same magazine of three torpedos. I always thought of the XJ3 as the T-65J3.
The final two pre-J-series X-Wing were the T-65AC4 and the T-65A3.
This page has an overview of the RPG statistics for the various spacecraft.
Posted: 2004-08-08 12:43pm
by phongn
WOTC RPG Specs
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Craft: Seinar Fleet Systems TIE defender
Class: Starfighter
Cost: 200,000 (ed. note: should be 300,000)
Size: Diminutive (6.6 m long)
Initiative: +8 (+4 size, +4 crew)
Crew: 1 (Skilled +4)
Passengers: None
Cargo Capacity: 65 kilograms
Consumables: 2 days
Hyperdrive: x2
Maximum Speed: Ramming
Maneuvers: +11 (+4 size, +4 crew, +3 engine quality)
Defense: 24 (+4 size, +10 armor)
Shield Points: 60
Hull Points: 100
DR: 5.
Weapon: Laser Cannons (4 fire-linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Attack Bonus: +14 (+4 size, +4 crew, +6 fire control)
Damage: 6d10 x2
Range Modifiers: PB +0, S +0, M/L n/a
Weapon: Medium Ion Cannons (2 fire-linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Attack Bonus: +14 (+4 size, +4 crew, +6 fire control)
Damage: Special
Range Modifiers: PB +0; S +0, M/L n/a
Weapon: Small Proton Torpedo Launcher (2 fire-linked, 4 missiles each)
Fire Arc: Front
Attack Bonus: +12 (+4 size, +4 crew, +4 fire control)
Damage: 10d10 x2 (proton torpedoes)
Range Modifiers: PB +0; S/M/L n/a
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Craft: Incom T-65XJ/XJ3-class X-Wing
Class: Starfighter
Cost: 250,000
Size: Tiny (12.5 meters)
Initiative: +6 (+4 crew, +2 size)
Crew: 1 (Skilled +4)
Passengers: None
Cargo Capacity: 25 kg
Consumables: 3 days
Hyperdrive: x1
Maximum Speed in Space: Ramming (13 squares/action)
Maneuver: +9 (+4 crew, +2 size, +3 equipment)
Defense: 22 (+2 size, +10 Armor)
Shield Points: 70
Hull Points: 150
DR: 10
Weapon: Heavy laser Cannons (4 fire-linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Attack Bonus: +15 (+2 size, +2 crew, +8 fire control, +3 equipment bonus)
Damage: 7d10x2
Range Modifiers: PB +0, S -2, M/L n/a.
Weapon: Proton Torpedo Launchers (3 fire-linked, 3 torpedoes each)
Fire Arc: Front
Damage: 9d10x2
Missile Quality: Ordinary (+10)
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:14pm
by Tribun
Ah, that awakens momories.
How I roasted X-Wings in "TIE-Fighter" with my TIE-Defender. They never had a chance....
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:38pm
by Lord Revan
I normaly use TIE/D in X-Wing:Alliance it's the best figther in the game. Fast(even when guns are in full regharge mode), takes a lot of punishment and has great firepower. So unless we're talking about top ace-pilot X-Wing pilot vs. green TIE/D pilot, the X-Wing pilot has very little chance of winning. (I've done it, but I'm a quite good pilot.)
EDIT:(from today (XWA)) TIE/D(me) vs. X-Wing(CPU) little less then 1:30 and X-Wing(me) vs. TIE/D(CPU) over 7 min, so didn't lie about being able to defeat TIE/D in a X-Wing, but it shows that TIE/D is better fighter then pre-NR X-Wing.
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:42pm
by Master of Ossus
Also, the XJ hadn't been fully deployed to NR units, as of the NJO. Many units were still using older model X-wings and other starfighters.
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:43pm
by Crazedwraith
Lord Revan wrote:I normaly use TIE/D in X-Wing:Alliance it's the best figther in the game. Fast(even when guns are in full regharge mode), takes a lot of punishment and has great firepower. So unless we're talking about top ace-pilot X-Wing pilot vs. green TIE/D pilot, the X-Wing pilot has very little chance of winning. (I've done it, but I'm a quite good pilot.)
Modest arn't we?
Well The Best X-Wing Pilot eva (Wedge) more or less killed a supposed very very Good TIE Defender Pilot (Tur Phennir). Phennir had his Top Solar Array blown off and had to flee the fight.
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:46pm
by Tribun
Crazedwraith wrote:Lord Revan wrote:I normaly use TIE/D in X-Wing:Alliance it's the best figther in the game. Fast(even when guns are in full regharge mode), takes a lot of punishment and has great firepower. So unless we're talking about top ace-pilot X-Wing pilot vs. green TIE/D pilot, the X-Wing pilot has very little chance of winning. (I've done it, but I'm a quite good pilot.)
Modest arn't we?
Well The Best X-Wing Pilot eva (Wedge) more or less killed a supposed very very Good TIE Defender Pilot (Tur Phennir). Phennir had his Top Solar Array blown off and had to flee the fight.
Character shield.
Posted: 2004-08-08 01:51pm
by phongn
Master of Ossus wrote:Also, the XJ hadn't been fully deployed to NR units, as of the NJO. Many units were still using older model X-wings and other starfighters.
IIRC, the T-65A3 was the primary production fighter at the outbreak of the invasion. Its specs are as follows:
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Craft: Incom T-65A3 X-Wing
Class: Starfighter
Cost: 220,000
Size: Tiny (12.5 meters)
Initiative: +6 (+4 crew, +2 size)
Crew: 1 (Skilled +4)
Passengers: None
Cargo Capacity: 110 kg
Consumables: 1 week
Hyperdrive: x1
Maximum Speed in Space: Ramming (12 squares/action)
Maneuver: +9 (+4 crew, +2 size, +3 equipment)
Defense: 22 (+2 size, +10 Armor)
Shield Points: 60
Hull Points: 150
DR: 10
Weapon: Heavy laser Cannons (4 fire-linked)
Fire Arc: Front
Attack Bonus: +15 (+2 size, +2 crew, +8 fire control, +3 equipment bonus)
Damage: 6d10x2
Range Modifiers: PB +0, S -2, M/L n/a.
Weapon: Proton Torpedo Launchers (2 fire-linked, 4 heavy torpedoes each)
Fire Arc: Front
Damage: 10d10x2
Missile Quality: Ordinary (+10)
Posted: 2004-08-08 02:42pm
by Lord Revan
Crazedwraith wrote:Lord Revan wrote:I normaly use TIE/D in X-Wing:Alliance it's the best figther in the game. Fast(even when guns are in full regharge mode), takes a lot of punishment and has great firepower. So unless we're talking about top ace-pilot X-Wing pilot vs. green TIE/D pilot, the X-Wing pilot has very little chance of winning. (I've done it, but I'm a quite good pilot.)
Modest arn't we?
Not really, if I have to downgrade my ablities.
Posted: 2004-08-08 02:55pm
by Rogue 9
I've gotten half a kill on a Defender from a stock X-wing in XWA (and I got the kill shot; I would have had the kill all for myself if those damned A-wings hadn't chewed on him a bit first), but most of my Defender kills are from a B-wing. That's right. The Star Wars equivalent of the A-10 whacking the Wars F-22. Suck it, Sienar!
Posted: 2004-08-08 03:04pm
by Lord Revan
Rogue 9 wrote:I've gotten half a kill on a Defender from a stock X-wing in XWA (and I got the kill shot; I would have had the kill all for myself if those damned A-wings hadn't chewed on him a bit first), but most of my Defender kills are from a B-wing. That's right. The Star Wars equivalent of the A-10 whacking the Wars F-22. Suck it, Sienar!
Were those B-Wing kills one vs. one?
Posted: 2004-08-08 03:10pm
by Rogue 9
Lord Revan wrote:Rogue 9 wrote:I've gotten half a kill on a Defender from a stock X-wing in XWA (and I got the kill shot; I would have had the kill all for myself if those damned A-wings hadn't chewed on him a bit first), but most of my Defender kills are from a B-wing. That's right. The Star Wars equivalent of the A-10 whacking the Wars F-22. Suck it, Sienar!
Were those B-Wing kills one vs. one?
1 vs. 2, actually. I was the one; the rest of the squadron was going for the capital ships and the X-wings were after other Defenders. They decided to go head to head with me. Their funeral. The B-wing's got just as many guns and twice the fire rate when they're all linked together.
Edit: And its a hell of a lot tougher, too.
Posted: 2004-08-08 03:17pm
by Lord Revan
Rogue 9 wrote:1 vs. 2, actually. I was the one; the rest of the squadron was going for the capital ships and the X-wings were after other Defenders. They decided to go head to head with me. Their funeral. The B-wing's got just as many guns and twice the fire rate when they're all linked together.
Well you're Rogue I'm not. (plus I haven't tried that stunt (IIRC)). The times in my post are with no other ships around.
Edit:Tried the B-Wing stunt and I did succeed.