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During the battle of genosis many clonetroopers must have perished. The numbers could be hundreds or even thousands considering the large scale of the battle. So was Yoda right in sacrificing so many soldiers to save a dozen or so Jedi ?

Those were kick ass Jedi which would've took decades to replace. The clone troopers are more expendable. And besides, wasn't Geneosis an important base thing? And it was an opportunity to end the war before it started, there was Dooku, there were those salamander Trade Fed guys, if there was any moment to send wave after wave of stormtroopers against wave after wave of kill-bots, AOTC was is.

IUnknown wrote:During the battle of genosis many clonetroopers must have perished. The numbers could be hundreds or even thousands considering the large scale of the battle. So was Yoda right in sacrificing so many soldiers to save a dozen or so Jedi ?

There were droid production facilities which made Geonosis a very good strategic planet to take out.

Soontir C'boath wrote:There were droid production facilities which made Geonosis a very good strategic planet to take out.

Yeah, considering the rate which that place could produce droids was mind-boggling; they could've fielded an army for the entire war on that place alone!* Definately a wise move to eliminate/capture it; and hey, if you can save a few Jedi in the process, ever the more reason.



*Doesn't know that for a fact, so quit bothering me

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Those were kick ass Jedi which would've took decades to replace.

You kidding me? Most of those Jedi couldn't handle their lightsaber properly.

Mace should have dropped a nuke into the Arena. All the CIS leaders would have been killed and the movement crippled beyond repair. Any remaining Seperatists would be easily suppressed without central coordination and organized droid armies. The Republic would have lost 2 Jedi and 1 Senator from a Mid Rim backwater.

President Sharky wrote:Mace should have dropped a nuke into the Arena. All the CIS leaders would have been killed and the movement crippled beyond repair. Any remaining Seperatists would be easily suppressed without central coordination and organized droid armies. The Republic would have lost 2 Jedi and 1 Senator from a Mid Rim backwater.

And a lot of civilians would have been killed.

No, Mace Windu should have KILLED JANGO FETT AND THE SEPARTIST LEADERS when he had the fucking chance and element of surprise. That was the source of his idiocy.

Well, technically, if the Jedi look at clones this way, you're only killing one man (over and over again)

whats zahn's view on clones and the force?

Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

That and the entire seperatist leadership was there.

Stofsk wrote:

President Sharky wrote:Mace should have dropped a nuke into the Arena. All the CIS leaders would have been killed and the movement crippled beyond repair. Any remaining Seperatists would be easily suppressed without central coordination and organized droid armies. The Republic would have lost 2 Jedi and 1 Senator from a Mid Rim backwater.

And a lot of civilians would have been killed.

No, Mace Windu should have KILLED JANGO FETT AND THE SEPARTIST LEADERS when he had the fucking chance and element of surprise. That was the source of his idiocy.

If he goes in with the intention of kicking Dooku's ass. Dooku's danger sense would kick off ands Mace woud lose any element of suprise at all.

Crazedwraith wrote:If he goes in with the intention of kicking Dooku's ass. Dooku's danger sense would kick off ands Mace woud lose any element of suprise at all.

Does Dooku's spider sense cover the Neimodians nearby and Jango Fett?

Incidentally, why was Mace Windu's sneak up not 'dangerous' and worthy of detection by Dooku's fabulous danger sense? He ignited his lightsabre and threatened to decapitate Jango. That's not a threat?

Stofsk wrote: And a lot of civilians would have been killed.

No, Mace Windu should have KILLED JANGO FETT AND THE SEPARTIST LEADERS when he had the fucking chance and element of surprise. That was the source of his idiocy.

From a military point of view. However, from a political view, the Jedi can't. For one, massive, civilian casualties. The Republic can't take that kind of PR hit easily, especially when one remembers the image of the Republic. Lastly, the Jedi are keepers of the peace, they are more like police than troops. That's kind of precedent, where the emphasis is on kill instead of capture, no oppurtinity to allow the opponent to surrender is damaging to the public image of the Jedi.

Praxis wrote:Well, technically, if the Jedi look at clones this way, you're only killing one man (over and over again)

I think he meant the Geonosian spectators, as well as those in the surrounding area. Geonosis has a population of 100 billion, so I'd assume that civilian casualties would have been high if the Republic just nuked the arena area.

Stofsk wrote:Incidentally, why was Mace Windu's sneak up not 'dangerous' and worthy of detection by Dooku's fabulous danger sense? He ignited his lightsabre and threatened to decapitate Jango. That's not a threat?

But he wasn't "locked on" to Dooku. He was probably doing everything possible to sneak in, but if he "locks up" Dooku for his attack, something in Dooku's brain might go Deedle-deedle-deedle like a RHAW.

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:

Soontir C'boath wrote:There were droid production facilities which made Geonosis a very good strategic planet to take out.

Yeah, considering the rate which that place could produce droids was mind-boggling;

Not really, according to AOTC ITW it is actually kinda run down and lack the most recent and efficient technology.

they could've fielded an army for the entire war on that place alone!* Definately a wise move to eliminate/capture it; and hey, if you can save a few Jedi in the process, ever the more reason.

*Doesn't know that for a fact, so quit bothering me

It is a fact. A folded battle driod is about 1/3rd of a cubic meter. The hold of a core ship is 66 million cubic meters. That's 200 million droids per ship, and 41 ships escaped. And that is ignoring all the droids or vehicles that could be carried in the arms of the TFBBs.

Ah, but what source states that those TF coreships were fully loaded? In fact, the rushed evacuation of the planet could have left the holds of many coreships half-empty. Still, from Geonosis alone, the CIS should have had enough droids to field throughout the galaxy. Then there are the thousands of other factory worlds with larger and more efficient facilities (however it is stated that Geonosis is a favourite of the Techno Union, perhaps because of their size) like Metalorn and Balmorra.

Cal Wright wrote:Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

The stange feel on clones during the trawn trilogy is probaly caused by spaarti cloning method since, since otherwise Luke would have fealt it on stormtroopers during ROTJ

Lord Revan wrote:

Cal Wright wrote:Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

The stange feel on clones during the trawn trilogy is probaly caused by spaarti cloning method since, since otherwise Luke would have fealt it on stormtroopers during ROTJ

Or maybe they just weren't clones.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:

Cal Wright wrote:Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

The stange feel on clones during the trawn trilogy is probaly caused by spaarti cloning method since, since otherwise Luke would have fealt it on stormtroopers during ROTJ

Or maybe they just weren't clones.

Well most Stormtrooper are Kamino method clones (Clonetroopers).

Lord Revan wrote:

Cal Wright wrote:Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

The stange feel on clones during the trawn trilogy is probaly caused by spaarti cloning method since, since otherwise Luke would have fealt it on stormtroopers during ROTJ

You're right about the cloning method in the Thrawn trilogy, since they were rapid cloned with Spaarti cylinders using Ysalamiri to block the force, otherwise it would have taken years.

HOWEVER- the Stormtroopers weren't clones. Of course, I'm sure some of the Clonetroopers were adopted into the Empire as Stormtroopers, but we also know that the Empire has a major recruiting campaign from dozens of EU sources.

Praxis wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:

Cal Wright wrote:Clone's casue a different kind of feel in the Force. You exact clone fucks with you like a caffeine withdrawl.

The stange feel on clones during the trawn trilogy is probaly caused by spaarti cloning method since, since otherwise Luke would have fealt it on stormtroopers during ROTJ

You're right about the cloning method in the Thrawn trilogy, since they were rapid cloned with Spaarti cylinders using Ysalamiri to block the force, otherwise it would have taken years.

HOWEVER- the Stormtroopers weren't clones. Of course, I'm sure some of the Clonetroopers were adopted into the Empire as Stormtroopers, but we also know that the Empire has a major recruiting campaign from dozens of EU sources.

Lucas himself said that stormtroopers are clones

Lord Revan wrote:Lucas himself said that stormtroopers are clones

Lucas also, IIRC, blabbed someplace that he figures Wars would lose to Trek.

If he's really interested in depicting them as clones, he's going to have to change the stormtroopers in ANH so they are all the same height. Won't be hard to do - a little computer trickery. If he isn't willing to do that he isn't all that interested in the idea.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

Lord Revan wrote:Lucas himself said that stormtroopers are clones

Lucas also, IIRC, blabbed someplace that he figures Wars would lose to Trek.

If he's really interested in depicting them as clones, he's going to have to change the stormtroopers in ANH so they are all the same height. Won't be hard to do - a little computer trickery. If he isn't willing to do that he isn't all that interested in the idea.

Nothing says that all stormtroopers must be clones from the same strain.