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Improving the X-Wing

Posted: 2004-09-08 03:28am
by Sarevok
Here is what I do.

1. Add two weapon hardpoints to either side of the fuselage. They can mount ion cannons or lasers.

2. Improve shields to B-Wing standards.

3. Add a missile rack like Slave-1. It will be able to launch the same multi megaton missiles like the Slave-1

Re: Improving the X-Wing

Posted: 2004-09-08 05:19am
by Kazuaki Shimazaki
IUnknown wrote:Here is what I do.

1. Add two weapon hardpoints to either side of the fuselage. They can mount ion cannons or lasers.

2. Improve shields to B-Wing standards.

3. Add a missile rack like Slave-1. It will be able to launch the same multi megaton missiles like the Slave-1
What are you willing to trade off to achieve these things. They aren't free, you know, and I'm not just saying it'd cost more.

Posted: 2004-09-08 05:21am
by Sharpshooter
IUnknown wrote:Here is what I do.

1. Add two weapon hardpoints to either side of the fuselage. They can mount ion cannons or lasers.
You mean a modular system? Sounds like it might work: you'd probably lose PT capability, though, and the mounted weapons might be weaker than those which are directly hard-wired into the craft.
IUnknown wrote:2. Improve shields to B-Wing standards.
You'd probably have to overhaul the power plant and the engines as well to accomodate, giving a potentially larger and slower target to enemy forces.
IUnknown wrote:3. Add a missile rack like Slave-1. It will be able to launch the same multi megaton missiles like the Slave-1
In the space where the cargo compartment is (only real free space that I know of where it could be placed) or hanging from the underside in the fashion of modern fighter wing missile-mounting points? God help you if the enemy breaches your shields and makes a hit on those things.

I'd propose the following:

A) Sweep the S-Foils back - or forward - into a Delta Wing configuration: it could both increase atmospheric speed and also present dogfighters attacking from the front or rear with a slightly smaller target.

B) Replace the Proton Torpedo launchers with two pairs of side-standing Y-Wing ion cannons.

C) Scrap one of the beforementioned PT launchers and place the remaining one in the bottom of the craft's main hull - when firing, it could either simply drop the torpedo and let its drive ignite outside the craft, or have the mechanism lower from the body to fire, then return into the body. If possible, instead opt for a launcher with multiple warhead capabilities instead of a dedicated PT system.

D) Replace the angled, panaled canopy with a rounded, all-encompassing bubble canopy akin to that of the Z-95 Headhunter.

E) Install a small, semi-turreted rear-firing laser cannon for anti-missile work.

F) Upgrade shields, engines, and other basic systems with more efficient models of the same general make as nessecary: no direct modifications.

Posted: 2004-09-08 06:54am
by JointStrikeFighter
protectino for the astromech droid

Posted: 2004-09-08 08:13am
by Knife
I don't see much problem with current set up with the ship. Any change I would make would be purely cosmetic.
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Re: Improving the X-Wing

Posted: 2004-09-08 09:01am
by Ghost Rider
IUnknown wrote:Here is what I do.

1. Add two weapon hardpoints to either side of the fuselage. They can mount ion cannons or lasers.

2. Improve shields to B-Wing standards.
And yes...while we're at it...install a new engine to meet these energy demands.

Or did you think it sucks random space particles :roll:

So do you want a Strike craft or a bomber?
3. Add a missile rack like Slave-1. It will be able to launch the same multi megaton missiles like the Slave-1
They do...or do you think when they attack a VSD, ISD or any such capital class ship they are using KT warheads?

Seriously use your brain for a couple seconds before posting a topic which honestly is a tad unfeasiable in terms of improving....what you have listed here is "I want a faster B-Wing."

Re: Improving the X-Wing

Posted: 2004-09-08 12:44pm
by Praxis
IUnknown wrote:Here is what I do.

1. Add two weapon hardpoints to either side of the fuselage. They can mount ion cannons or lasers.
Works, but then you cannot close the wings.
2. Improve shields to B-Wing standards.
Increases the ship's mass, and requires greater power generators to power the shields, resulting in even more mass.
3. Add a missile rack like Slave-1. It will be able to launch the same multi megaton missiles like the Slave-1
The slave 1 uses concussion missles. The X-wing uses proton torpedoes. Proton torpedoes do approx. twice the damage of concussion missles, sooo...it already has more powerful weapons.

Posted: 2004-09-08 02:14pm
by phongn
Proton torpedos do not neccesarily do twice the damage of concussion missiles.

Posted: 2004-09-08 02:29pm
by Gil Hamilton
phongn wrote:Proton torpedos do not neccesarily do twice the damage of concussion missiles.
Certainly not. I think that proton torpedo is a generic term, like laser or nuke. I mean, the proton torpedoes fired by Slave 1 certainly aren't the same kind of proton torpedoes that Rogue Squadron used to ruin the Lusankya's shit in the Bacta War.

Posted: 2004-09-08 03:46pm
by Praxis
I recall reading a book a long time ago that stated that a proton torpedo has approximately twice the yield of a concussion missle.

OR, it might also have been a video game. Possibly the N64 Rogue Squadron instruction manual?

Anyway, I can't remember where I read it, or if it was canon or not.

But I do remember that a proton torp is generally more powerful than a concussion missle (and from SD.net that proton torps are better at peircing shields while concussion missles do more damage vs hull).

Certainly not. I think that proton torpedo is a generic term, like laser or nuke. I mean, the proton torpedoes fired by Slave 1 certainly aren't the same kind of proton torpedoes that Rogue Squadron used to ruin the Lusankya's shit in the Bacta War.
The Slave 1 fired a concussion missle, not proton torpedo.

Posted: 2004-09-08 04:11pm
by Rogue 9
The yield of a torpedo in the X-Wing games is twice that of a concussion missile. That, however, is a game statistic, and therefore worthless.

Posted: 2004-09-08 05:36pm
by Crazedwraith
The X-wing is perfect it cannont be made better and still stay the same.

The E-Wing would be the improvement of the X-Wing.

Posted: 2004-09-08 09:35pm
by Gil Hamilton
Praxis wrote:The Slave 1 fired a concussion missle, not proton torpedo.
They were labelled proton torpedo launchers in the first ICS and looked like them.

Posted: 2004-09-08 09:54pm
by Kazuaki Shimazaki
Gil Hamilton wrote:They were labelled proton torpedo launchers in the first ICS and looked like them.
Obviously, Boba Fett made some changes to Slave I.

Posted: 2004-09-08 10:15pm
by phongn
Yeah, Slave I was modified when Boba took over. The weapons suite is not the same. IIRC, Jango prefered to work from the shadows while Boba favored a more hard-hitting approach.

Posted: 2004-09-08 10:22pm
by Gil Hamilton
Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:Obviously, Boba Fett made some changes to Slave I.
They looked like practically identical missiles between what was in the ICS and what was in AOTC.

Ah well, it's irrelevant to the point. The point is that not all proton torpedoes are created equal or even with remotely similar yields.

Posted: 2004-09-09 01:08am
by Praxis
Gil Hamilton wrote:
Praxis wrote:The Slave 1 fired a concussion missle, not proton torpedo.
They were labelled proton torpedo launchers in the first ICS and looked like them.
The first ICS was for the Slave 1 for Boba Fett.
The ICS for ep2 was for Episode 2, and Jango had concussion missles.

Posted: 2004-09-09 02:22am
by Icehawk
phongn wrote:Yeah, Slave I was modified when Boba took over. The weapons suite is not the same. IIRC, Jango prefered to work from the shadows while Boba favored a more hard-hitting approach.
Er I think you got it backwards. Boba got rid of those two 2 kiloton laser cannons that the Jango version had and added a single small ion cannon in their place leaving him with only the 600 gigajoule twin blasters and the missiles for raw fire power.

Posted: 2004-09-09 11:15am
by phongn
Easier to capture someone if you use ion cannon. He also had a different missile suite.

Posted: 2004-09-09 12:42pm
by Gil Hamilton
Praxis wrote:The first ICS was for the Slave 1 for Boba Fett.
The ICS for ep2 was for Episode 2, and Jango had concussion missles.
What I mean is that the torpedoes depicted in the first ICS looked just like the missile that Jango fired after Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Posted: 2004-09-09 01:38pm
by Rogue 9

Posted: 2004-09-09 01:41pm
by Crazedwraith
Look up....see Knife's post? Click the link? ;):P Highly original of your Rogue. :D

Posted: 2004-09-09 02:24pm
by Rogue 9
Oops. Crap. :oops:

Posted: 2004-09-09 02:44pm
by Spice Runner
The only thing about the x-wing that should be improved is the vulnerability of the R2 unit. I'd prefer some armor for R2 or place the R2 unit internally behind the cockpit.

Posted: 2004-09-09 02:55pm
by Luzifer's right hand
Spice Runner wrote:The only thing about the x-wing that should be improved is the vulnerability of the R2 unit. I'd prefer some armor for R2 or place the R2 unit internally behind the cockpit.
Is the R2 unit not used to repair damage during a mission?
They could remove the R2 unit and just install a droid brain otherwise.