Do you want a SW TV show?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-09-10 08:55am

I must say I really don't. I'm scared to death of it fucking up the SW universe. TFN is now claiming it was pretty definite for Fall 2006, so this seemed like a good time to bring it up, true or not.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-10 09:11am

Yeah sure, why not? Give everything a go at least once, maybe it'll be good? Who knows.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 09:50am

Oh fuck no.

Seriously the EU has enough bizarre wanking...some good, some bad.

Now let's magnify this onto what is considered popular TV these days?

Yeah...and we screasm about B&B screwing up Trek. Seriously SW has much more for failure and has the possiblities of far far worse, with less likely in thoughts of success. The universe itself doesn't lend itself well to the hum-drum life of a Bothan trying to get jiggy with a Twi'lieck.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-10 10:11am

SW-TV is an intriguing concept, but perhaps it shouldn't be done in the manner of typical TV shows and done instead like a miniseries a la Band of Brothers, or a limited season. (kind of like how the first 12 episodes of 24's season one were planned and written assuming the worst: premature cancellation; only in this case, those 12 episodes would be it, and they'd be written tightly and consistently)

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-09-10 10:15am

I don't understand what the concept would be; post Episode III? What would be the topic? Post Episode VI? Too much EU baggage, too much "where's Luke?" etc.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-10 10:18am

Vympel wrote:I don't understand what the concept would be; post Episode III? What would be the topic? Post Episode VI? Too much EU baggage, too much "where's Luke?" etc.

Or it could be something based on KOTOR. Or anywhere else in the thousands of years worth of history. It could focus on a Clonetrooper unit with a Jedi battlecommander during the Clone Wars, or a Rebel squadron that does the grunt missions (while Rogue Squad gets all the glory, these guys do all the work). Jesus, there's any number of shit to write about in the SW universe.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 10:21am

Stofsk wrote:
Vympel wrote:I don't understand what the concept would be; post Episode III? What would be the topic? Post Episode VI? Too much EU baggage, too much "where's Luke?" etc.
Or it could be something based on KOTOR. Or anywhere else in the thousands of years worth of history. It could focus on a Clonetrooper unit with a Jedi battlecommander during the Clone Wars, or a Rebel squadron that does the grunt missions (while Rogue Squad gets all the glory, these guys do all the work). Jesus, there's any number of shit to write about in the SW universe.

There is...but the problem is TV is usually much smaller in scope.

An SW TV I have problems because it's easy to make it a day in the life of (insert character)....and sorry rather not. Already seen it too many times and all this would become is something rather bland with the SW name slapped onto it.

For epic requires a singular team, which in TV land is like finding chicken teeth. It happens but not really counting on it.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-10 10:27am

Ghost Rider wrote:There is...but the problem is TV is usually much smaller in scope.

There's something to be said for showing the perspective of the little guy from time to time.

Actually this thread and the other has me thinking. Which would you prefer, assuming you could choose between one or the other: a SW TV show, or a new trilogy set after ROTJ?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 10:36am

Stofsk wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:There is...but the problem is TV is usually much smaller in scope.
There's something to be said for showing the perspective of the little guy from time to time.

Actually this thread and the other has me thinking. Which would you prefer, assuming you could choose between one or the other: a SW TV show, or a new trilogy set after ROTJ?

Might as well ask me if I would prefer my balls sliced or diced.

Honestly neither.

TV has usually the problem too small of scope and there are better things and more original places to play with. The biggest problem is that it would take an old formula and slapping the SW name on it. Why not make an original universe with no preconceptions and build from there?

And a New Trilogy has the problem of needing to build something very big, very quick and all at the same time make it sound like it's always been there. Literally for Lucas the story ended with Return of the Jedi...all he built or wanted to build was wrapped up with a nice bow, and the heroes leave off to the sunset.

The EU fills the holes and really given how Lucas handles movies these days...I don't see the further adventures of Luke Skywalker being much above bad EU.

I mean he left the Clone Wars up to others....the biggest thing in the SW universe...is left to others.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-10 10:42am

Ghost Rider wrote:I mean he left the Clone Wars up to others....the biggest thing in the SW universe...is left to others.

True. That shit me quite a bit.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 10:48am

Stofsk wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:I mean he left the Clone Wars up to others....the biggest thing in the SW universe...is left to others.
True. That shit me quite a bit.

Did to me too.

I mean I remember heaing about it as a kid seeing Star Wars for probably the first real time I remembered(around 1979...I saw it in 77 but was too young to remember beyond R2 and Darth Vader), but hearing about there was something more.

Then as time went, I got the videos...it stuck to me...The Clone Wars. The big battle that shaped everything in the Star Wars Universe. What made Darth Vader, what made Ben Kenobi, literally the stuff of legneds in that universe.

And here was his shot...and what does he give us...the start and the finish.

That is the biggest missed oppurtunity of the Prequels.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-09-10 12:38pm

Like Vympel said, I'm scared to death it'll give Star Wars the same continuity problems as Trek, or at least screw it up somehow.
But I'll give it a shot. If it's good, it'd be awesome.

If it's during the Clone Wars, as long as they don't have Anakin whining over Padme, it'll be okay.
If it's just after ROTJ, I hope they don't contradict the books (it'd be fun if the show covered Thrawn though

).
If it's during the New Jedi Order...it'll have a lot of potential, but at the same time, a very big chance of screwing up. He'd need to do it JUST right for it to be good.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-09-10 12:39pm

I seem to remember discussing this before, but now that Lucasfilm has confirmed that there will be a television series (although it appear as if they didn't mention anything specific), I would really like to see a Star Wars series (I don't want Star Wars to end after Episode III), there are however certain criterias that must be met:

* Star Wars can't be allowed to degrade to Star Trek standard, a miniseries would be the best option IMHO.

* The tone of the series must be at level with the movies.

* Preferably, the series should tie in with the movies.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-10 01:14pm

I mean he left the Clone Wars up to others....the biggest thing in the SW universe...is left to others.

Ummm, when all is said and done, we´re gonna get more battles out of the Clone Wars in the movies themselves, than we ever did with the Galactic Civil War.

CW:

Ep. II: Battle of Geonosis
Ep.III: Battle of Coruscant, Battle of Utapau, Battle of Kashyyyk + CW montage from several planets

GCW:

EpIV: Battle of Yavin
Ep.V: Battle of Hoth
Ep.VI: Battle of Endor (ground & space)

I don´t hear anybody proclaiming that Lucas fucked up by not showing us the 3-year-period between ANH and ESB, which obviously contained many battles. Come on, guys, there´s plenty of things to complain about that Lucas does wrong, the Clone Wars overall isn´t one of them IMHO. (Besides, some events can be followed on the CW cartoon, which is like a nice, little animated companion to the movies themselves.)

As for the series, bring it on! As long as they keep distance from Star Trekish plots, I´ll be a happy camper.

Mark S · Post by **Mark S** » 2004-09-10 01:17pm

I'll believe it when I see it. For all we know, television series could turn out to mean another cartoon. If it's live-action I'd say that someone was watching Firefly and thought they could make a good SW show out of the concept. A small frieghter after the end of ROTJ. The crew was part of the rebellion but now they aren't needed any more. They've been swept aside by the reborn Republic. What do they do? The take jobs. Don't much matter if they're legal. Accept that, even though the ship is supposed to be going to all these exotic places, all of the sudden this cosmopolitan society that Lucas is trying to portray in the prequals will be swept away into mostly humans again (like the OT) and the occassional alien the producers can scroung up from Lucas' basement or an ILM computer file.

What ever concept they have for the show, it better have a good budget and good writters or it is going to be a big-ass bullet in the head of the franchise.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-09-10 01:20pm

A TV series is a great idea if you totally want to kill the myth and turn Star Wars into episodic dreck...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-10 01:22pm

I´m sure ILM will be all over this thing.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 01:23pm

VT-16 wrote:
I mean he left the Clone Wars up to others....the biggest thing in the SW universe...is left to others.
Ummm, when all is said and done, we´re gonna get more battles out of the Clone Wars in the movies themselves, than we ever did with the Galactic Civil War.

CW:

Ep. II: Battle of Geonosis
Ep.III: Battle of Coruscant, Battle of Utapau, Battle of Kashyyyk + CW montage from several planets

GCW:

EpIV: Battle of Yavin
Ep.V: Battle of Hoth
Ep.VI: Battle of Endor (ground & space)

I don´t hear anybody proclaiming that Lucas fucked up by not showing us the 3-year-period between ANH and ESB, which obviously contained many battles. Come on, guys, there´s plenty of things to complain about that Lucas does wrong, the Clone Wars overall isn´t one of them IMHO.

Ummm...with the Galactic Civil War we saw how big they were vs how small the Rebellion was.

With the Clone wars....the thing that made the galaxy to what it was in Star Wars

What do we get?

The Initial battle and the end.

NOTHING MORE.

So please tell me how do two battles compare to that we got more of the Galactic Civil War, given in that context we got the first outright strike by the Empire claiming dominance, the destruction of the Death Star, the relatitory strike by the Empire, and the final battle between the two forces.

We actually got some of the better material.

With the Clone War...we get the two butt ends and from this we are to get the idea that this thing was the end all be all in the SW universe?

So please...no one complains about the three year period because in ESB we can get the idea of how big and bad it's gotten and ESB WASN'T THE FUCKING END OF THE GCW.

EPIII is the end of the Clone Wars...thus he left EVERYTHING ELSE to others.

Every other victory, defeat, reversal anything that would've shown KEnobi as a great general and Anakin being an excellent pilot is all getting stuff into the conclusion?

That is piss poor storytelling.

Thus me being pissed off is not being some little bitchy whiner but because he could've made a tale around the greatest piece of legendary history he had in his universe, but decided to leae it to others.

That is akin to writing about King Arthur and going Arthur grew up, got excalibur...yadda, yadda...died by Mordred's hands.

Or hell any piece of legendary material and going "The middle is unimportant."

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-09-10 01:27pm

Galvatron wrote:A TV series is a great idea if you totally want to kill the myth and turn Star Wars into episodic dreck...

I agree to a point with you (this is partly what the EU has done), but I think that a TV series would be well-produced. I have a good feeling about this...

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-09-10 01:39pm

Actually I think showing the Clone Wars in the films would've been a bad idea. We've seen the beginning and we're going to see the end (in both space and more land battles), that's all that's required.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-10 01:40pm

What do we get?

The Initial battle and the end.

NOTHING MORE.

So please tell me how do two battles

Oh boy, I shouldn´t give people with ADHD more attention then they deserve, but out of the goodness of my heart, I´ll repeat myself:

We get the opening battle in II, and SEVERAL ON SEVERAL PLANETS in III. The Coruscant space battle probably ignites the second of two Clone Wars, with the betrayel of Count Dooku (he came to the capitol to sue for peace, this probably temporarily halted all military activity). The second Clone War ends with the Jedi being hunted down.

What we got in the OT was two battles in the middle of the war and the one that ended it.

Apples and oranges. Yet, war just the same.

I think that a TV series would be well-produced

Lucas himself said there were other stories he wanted to tell in the GFFA, but that fell outside the scope of the movies. He might come up with some ideas and concepts, and let a others go into the depth of the characters and events.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 01:48pm

VT-16 wrote:
What do we get?

The Initial battle and the end.

NOTHING MORE.

So please tell me how do two battles
Oh boy, I shouldn´t give people with ADHD more attention then they deserve, but out of the goodness of my heart, I´ll repeat myself:

We get the opening battle in II, and SEVERAL ON SEVERAL PLANETS in III. The Coruscant space battle probably ignites the second of two Clone WARS, with the betrayel of Count Dooku (he came to the capitol to sue for peace, this probably temporarily halted all military activity). The second Clone War ends with the Jedi being hunted down.

What we got in the OT was two battles in the middle of the war and the one that ended it.

Apples and oranges. Yet, war just the same.

Does that somehow say anything different then we see END of the Clone Wars and the beginning, dumbfuck?

That was my point...we don't see anything MORE except that.

Next time you want to spew who's being inept read the fucking post.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-09-10 01:50pm

You could simply follow the adventures of a band of smugglers or even better yet the early days of the rebellion, intrigue suspense, whose a traitor, whose an Imperial spy? The backdrop would be the span of time between the End of Episode III and the start of Episode IV. Hell the series finale could portray the mission that stole the death star plans and kicks off ANH.

You don't need big if you follow around a small band of rebels, who need to remain undercover, inconspicuous and not do anything too grand. Add a beat up tramp freighter or a sleek courier ship and the galaxy is your oyster.

Of course we would run into the nose of the week phenemonenon of Trek but if Lucas is willing to sink some major resources into this show it COULD work.

But considering the state of TV and the quality of shows right now I sincerely doubt that will happen.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-10 01:58pm

You said two battles, the beginning and the end. I was correcting you, asshat!

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Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-09-10 02:00pm

VT-16 wrote:You said two battles, the beginning and the end. I was correcting you, asshat!

^__^ <3

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