25,000 Star Destroyers

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2002-07-21 10:01pm

I have seen many claims that the Empire has twenty-five thousand Star Destroyers. Could someone please tell me what this claim is based upon?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2002-07-21 10:46pm

In a fleet, you have a large number of smaller ships, and a small number of larger ships. You have in effect, a general inverse relationship between the size of a vessel and it's production run. If you look at the staggering size of the Death Star, it becomes clearly obvious that there must be thousands, if not millions of moderately sized vessels in the Imperial Starfleet.

As to where the 25,000 firgure comes from, I have no clue. It actually seems kinda small if you ask me.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2002-07-21 10:47pm

Spectre of the Past, by Timothy Zahn. Captain Pellaeon is reflecting to a fellow officer about the lost grandeur of the Empire, specifically the fact that out of an original 25,000 only 200 Star Destroyers still remained. Couldn't tell you the page, but as nobody has responded as of yet, I'll give the general idea until someone with the proper reference gives the page number.

Before you ask--Yes, the book is official and the figure is therefore golden.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-07-21 10:47pm

I believe one source is the WEG's Star Wars the Role Playing Game, Second Edition.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-21 11:31pm

page 6 of Spector of the Past

A thousand systems left, out of an Empire that had once spanned a million. Two hundred Star Destroyers remaining from a fleet that had once included over twenty-five thousand of them

Does that help?

It also states that the standard Imperial sector fleet has 24 SDs and thats where people get the idea that the Empire control a little more than 1000 sectors.

Oddity · Post by **Oddity** » 2002-07-22 01:13am

David wrote:page 6 of Spector of the Past

A thousand systems left, out of an Empire that had once spanned a million. Two hundred Star Destroyers remaining from a fleet that had once included over twenty-five thousand of them

Does that help?

Yup, thanks!

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-07-22 01:34am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I believe one source is the WEG's Star Wars the Role Playing Game, Second Edition.

I think WEG actually sets us up for some huge freakin' fleet numbers that would have ISDs in excess of 25,000 in number roaming all around.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-22 04:23am

"I think WEG actually sets us up for some huge freakin' fleet numbers that would have ISDs in excess of 25,000 in number roaming all around."

The Marina O'Leary calcs?

master_yoda · Post by **master_yoda** » 2002-07-22 05:09am

If you think about it,25k ISD's weren't enough.I would've at least maybe 100k.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2002-07-22 05:34am

"If you think about it,25k ISD's weren't enough.I would've at least maybe 100k."

"In a total of all Hyperspace capable combat starships
over 100 meters in length, divided among the 51,000,000
inhabited worlds, we get an average of around 7, that's
right, only SEVEN ships PER INHABITED PLANET. I sincerely
hope this gives you a true sense of the scope and scale of the Galactic Empire."
--Marina O'Leary aka Commander Thelea

http://www.daltonator.net/fanfics/essays/impfleet.txt

master_yoda · Post by **master_yoda** » 2002-07-22 06:03am

Eleas wrote:"If you think about it,25k ISD's weren't enough.I would've at least maybe 100k."

"In a total of all Hyperspace capable combat starships
over 100 meters in length, divided among the 51,000,000
inhabited worlds, we get an average of around 7, that's
right, only SEVEN ships PER INHABITED PLANET. I sincerely
hope this gives you a true sense of the scope and scale of the Galactic Empire."
--Marina O'Leary aka Commander Thelea

http://www.daltonator.net/fanfics/essays/impfleet.txt

woah..It this for real?

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-22 06:45am

Seven 100-meter long ships to defend a single planet? I wouldn't use the word "only" to describe that. After all, the United States doesn't have seven gunships or small frigates defending each individual city, does it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-07-22 08:33am

Considering the size of the SW galaxy and the number of inhabited worlds, it is clear that the Imperial Navy cannot be everywhere all the time. However, given the speed of hyperdrive, this is relatively unimportant. The most it would take an Imperial fleet to arrive at any given flashpoint would be several days.

Aaron2 · Post by **Aaron2** » 2002-07-22 09:40am

I thought the 25,000 number came from the size of the average sector fleet (24) times the number of sectors in the galalxy (1,000). I think you end up with one ISD per four member worlds and one per 40 colonies.

Aaron

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2002-07-22 10:35am

SPOOFE wrote:Seven 100-meter long ships to defend a single planet? I wouldn't use the word "only" to describe that. After all, the United States doesn't have seven gunships or small frigates defending each individual city, does it?

To be fair, it is a study into an upper limit. You can in fact take any positions in between. For instance, her assumption is that every major member world can afford two "personal escort" SDs. Don't think so? Then think 10% of them can, or 5, or 20. Or think some have only one ISD.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2002-07-22 11:25am

SPOOFE wrote:Seven 100-meter long ships to defend a single planet? I wouldn't use the word "only" to describe that. After all, the United States doesn't have seven gunships or small frigates defending each individual city, does it?

Yes, but we aren't as militarized as the Empire, either.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-22 01:11pm

While the amount of SDs does sound small, remember that they were all built in 20 years. Plus there would be no reason to build that many when the Empire had no enemys with large capital ships.

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2002-07-22 01:15pm

Kuat Drive Yards was the only shipyards to produce these imperators right?

Cyaround,
Jason
P.S.-*whistles* If it is..then DAMN....One company made 25,000 imperators in 2 decades WoW.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-22 01:23pm

While also producing the Executor Class, Allegiance Class, hundreds of the older Victories, and starting work on the Eclipse and Sovereign SSDs.

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-22 01:31pm

These corporations also produced Imperial ships, Sienar was directly controlled by the Empire.

Corellian Engineering Corporation
Cygnus Spaceworks
Hoersh-Kessel Drive, Inc.
Kuat Drive Yards
Loronar Corporation
MandalMotors
Rendili StarDrive
Sienar Fleet Systems
Silviut Corporation
SoroSuub
Telgorn Corp.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-22 01:39pm

To be fair the larger ships can be built anywhere as SSD and up are not built in fixed platforms but rather Scaffolding type afairs normaly away from planets to lessen danger of accidents(50000 Tons of Steel and whatnot crashing down on a planet tends to do bad things to it) and easier to make it defend(Read no Planet to hide behind or let it drag you out of space right on top of it)

Also Fondor can build SSD as we know from the Lushankya as both Kuat and Fondor built the Excutioter SSD excpsept one was renamed Lushanakya and buried underneath Courscant the other went around and became Vadars personal Mini-Van Of Doom(TM)

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-07-22 02:02pm

It also says that when Fondor was building the Executor, Vader closed them off to all other contracts so they would finish faster.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-07-22 06:35pm

Though that makes no sense IG-88 where did you read this?
Because Fondor is kinda HUGE complex, if he did this that would be 2x the normal number of workers on one project and umm the other 85% of the workers sitting around doing nothing

You can only have so many people working on one project at a time

David · Post by **David** » 2002-07-22 07:37pm

Also the Empire was putting a massive amount of resources into building the Death Star, resources that could have been used to construct more SDs.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-22 07:41pm

SirNitram wrote:While also producing the Executor Class, Allegiance Class, hundreds of the older Victories, and starting work on the Eclipse and Sovereign SSDs.

And various other sub-classes of SDs. We know of many other ones, many larger than typical SD's. The Vengeance in JK comes to mind. In addition, there were large numbers of smaller capital ships constructed, which were primarily tasked with the defense of most planets. Many of these ships were quite large and powerful in and of themselves, including Immobilizer class Interdictors, Carrack class cruisers, and Nebulon B frigates. SD's were reserved for important planets and sector fleets. Using this military model, it becomes easier to cover a large amount of territory with a large, powerful sector fleet and smaller ships guarding planets. If those ships are attacked, the sector fleet is summoned. While not fighting one of those battles, the sector fleet launches other operations against pirates, or other enemies of the Empire. This is a MUCH more efficient model than one involving a few SD's per planet, as it allows fewer SD's to be used more often and to greater effect.