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An ISD II attacks a planet. The ISD II got his full compliment of TIE fighters, bombers & other craft

The planetary garrison consists of:
- 20 Z-95 headhunters armed with missiles
- 10 Y-wings armed with torpedoes
- 5 Correlian corvettes
- 2 Nebulon-B Escort Frigates
- 1 Carrack cruiser
- 1 Bulk Cruiser

(i think its about equally matched, hopefully not to onesided anyway)

Star Destroyers were designed to defeat planetary fleets and pirate fleets and the one in this scenario doesn't even have near the total firepower of the ISD mk II. This is lopsided in favor of the Star Destroyer.

A better question would be: How long could this fleet last against the ISD mk II?

How about an ISD I? Still too powerfull?

I'd say so. None of the defender's ship would last long enough against the ISD to do any real damage.

The carrack is fast enough and durable enough to be a nuisance to the ISD, but simply doesn't boast enough firepower to actually threaten the ISD. The Bulk Cruiser would simply get hammered from lack of speed and firepower, and the Escort Frigates and Corvettes would all be destroyed or disabled before the shields of the ISD would fail.

The only chance the defenders would have if they use their capital ships in a kamikaze attack or two.

give them x-wings instead of headhunters, armed with torpedos...

Lex wrote:give them x-wings instead of headhunters, armed with torpedos...

unless you give them Rogue Group pilots also, it's not gonna change anything, x-wings have only 6 torps per craft and the Z-95 is almost as durable as the T-65 (both are known for taking heavy beating and surviving.)

About how many TIE's are we talking by the way? Have the defenders enough fighters to destroy them so they can target the ISD's turrets after that?

In terms of fighters the defenders are outnumbered; 20 Z-95s and 10 Y-wings, versus 6 squadrons of TIES (Fighters and Bombers, and maybe Interceptors as well). At least in that regard, the attacking ISD has an advantage.

If those Nebulon-Bs also have fighters, then the ISDs fighters are outnumbered. 6.5 squadrons vs 6 on the ISD. In this scenario the ISDs fighters are effectively neutralized. Now the planetary defense has enough ships with varrying levels of firepower. If they can manage to close range on the ISD and pound it in one shield arc from close range, the ISD is going to have trouble. The Carrack is the heavy firepower and if the Corvettes are used to shield the Carracks approach, things look interesting for the ISD. The Nebulon-Bs also aren't defenseless and can add to the firepower.

Depending on the ISD's fighter complement, it may have Assault Gunboats and Skipray Blastboats as well as TIE Fighters, Bombers, and Interceptors. The Fighters and Interceptors are faster than anything the defenders are fielding, and the Bombers, Assault Gunboats, and Skipray Blastboats carry more firepower, particularly the Blastboats, which are also going to be a threat to lighter enemy starships--like the Corvettes and possibly the Frigates.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Corvette the same as the ship Leia was on at the beginning of ANH? The Imp gunners were having to be careful to NOT destroy that ship. This doesn't bode well for a mere handful of them in combat with an ISD I or II; if it can bring its HTL batteries to bear on them, they're free-floating debris in a matter of moments, and the LTL batteries will only take a little longer to accomplish the same task.

In I, Jedi an ISD II engages and annihilates a Kaloth Battlecruiser that has been stated to be able to fight a Nebulon-B to a standstill in a matter of moments using its HTL batteries. The ISD II took minor damage in the process, but its attack was actually massively overkill on the Battlecruiser--HTL beams were said to exit the OPPOSITE end of the vessel by the time the assault was completed. Add that to the fact the Nebulon B's have an enormous structural weak point--that long, thin spar connecting the engines to the main hull--and they aren't going to last long. In Rogue Squadron: Isard's Revenge an ISD II "breaks the back" of a Nebulon-B frigate quite easily.

Finally, the Carrack and Bulk Cruiser simply don't have the firepower or durability to slug it out with an ISD or ISD II.

The Star Destroyer will take some damage, but nothing major, and should annihilate the defenders fairly rapidly. The enemy starships need to concentrate their firepower on a single shield facing in order to have a chance of hurting the ISD II, but approaching from the same angle like that allows the ISD II to turn and engage them with its entire HTL complement, letting it bring maximum firepower to bear on the defenders.

If the defenders spread out so the ISD can only bring its HTL batteries to bear on a few of them, the results are even worse; they'll lack the firepower to overwhelm the ISD's shields on any particular aspect, while the ISD will be free to concentrate its heavy batteries on one or two ships at a time, quickly annihilating them. If anything, the ISD will take LESS damage than it would if the defenders all grouped up and tried to hammer its shields down on one side en masse.

Stofsk wrote:In terms of fighters the defenders are outnumbered; 20 Z-95s and 10 Y-wings, versus 6 squadrons of TIES (Fighters and Bombers, and maybe Interceptors as well). At least in that regard, the attacking ISD has an advantage.

But the Z-95s and Y-wings have torps AND shields. TIEs have neither.

The TIEs are faster and more maneuverable.

Whether or not they have torps depends on the model.

Perhaps if the Bulk Cruiser and a couple of the corvette's RAM the Star Destroyer at full speed (OR even Hyperdrive)...that might do it.

Imperial Overlord wrote:The TIEs are faster and more maneuverable.

Whether or not they have torps depends on the model.

Did you read the description?

The Z-95's are armed with their concussion missles, and Y-wings with their torpedoes.

Both seek, so in the worst case they can unload them on the TIE's, wiping out the fighters, though they would waste most of their torps.

I was talking about the TIEs. TIE bombers and TIE defenders have missles and torps.

Well if we're talking about an ISD with TIE-figthers, TIE-Interceptors and TIE-bombers, the defenders have chance to win (but they'll need luck and/or elite pilots). If the ISD has TIE-Avengers and/or TIE-Defenders, the defenders have no chance what so ever. Assault Gunboats or Skipray Blastboats won't probaly change anything as they are rather slow. Also an ISD has other craft that can perform a limited role in this battle.

Lex wrote:give them x-wings instead of headhunters, armed with torpedos...

and nothing changes

Praxis wrote:

Stofsk wrote:In terms of fighters the defenders are outnumbered; 20 Z-95s and 10 Y-wings, versus 6 squadrons of TIES (Fighters and Bombers, and maybe Interceptors as well). At least in that regard, the attacking ISD has an advantage.

But the Z-95s and Y-wings have torps AND shields. TIEs have neither.

Ties have shields

Ender wrote:

Praxis wrote:

Stofsk wrote:In terms of fighters the defenders are outnumbered; 20 Z-95s and 10 Y-wings, versus 6 squadrons of TIES (Fighters and Bombers, and maybe Interceptors as well). At least in that regard, the attacking ISD has an advantage.

But the Z-95s and Y-wings have torps AND shields. TIEs have neither.

Ties have shields

The generic Tie fielded by the Empire does not have shields. We have a couple examples of shields on Ties, but these are not standard designs.

I think the ISD II would destroy all ships without even having to deploy its fighters or even have to use its HTLs except maybe for the Carrack.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I think the ISD II would destroy all ships without even having to deploy its fighters or even have to use its HTLs except maybe for the Carrack.

If the ISD doesn't deploy its fighter then it runs a serious risk of damage from those Y-Wings. They have sufficent firepower to down one side of shields.

10 Y-Wings would survive long enough to bring down part of the ISD's shields? That, I find hard to believe.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:10 Y-Wings would survive long enough to bring down part of the ISD's shields? That, I find hard to believe.

They can effectively fire outside of the range of the ISDs kill zone. Thats part of the reason why ISDs have fighters afterall. To prevent this.

Alyeska wrote:

Ender wrote:

Praxis wrote: But the Z-95s and Y-wings have torps AND shields. TIEs have neither.

Ties have shields

The generic Tie fielded by the Empire does not have shields. We have a couple examples of shields on Ties, but these are not standard designs.

Prove. it.

I'm sorry for the short temper here, but I get really sick of going 12 rounds with BEUPs (Brainless Expanded Universe Parrots) who just deny the films with out proof. Are there maybe 2 kinds of Ties, the shielded the navy version and the unshielded the starfleet version? Maybe. But there is nothing to show shielded Ties are rare.

Alyeska wrote:

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I think the ISD II would destroy all ships without even having to deploy its fighters or even have to use its HTLs except maybe for the Carrack.

If the ISD doesn't deploy its fighter then it runs a serious risk of damage from those Y-Wings. They have sufficent firepower to down one side of shields.

As it doesn't say what kind of torps they are carrying, we don't know that.