Rebel Fleet Survivors

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-22 11:28pm

The following screengrab (~360K PNG24) shows what is probably the majority of the surviving Rebel fleet taking station over where the Rebel commandos and Bright House Clan are.

By my count, I see 13 cruisers, 3 frigates, 2 corvettes and a bunch of transports as having survived.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-09-22 11:31pm

Where's Home One and the Defiance?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-22 11:39pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Where's Home One and the Defiance?

Probably in the background facing the viewer; you can't really tell the difference between the Anonymous Wingless and Home One from far apart.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-22 11:46pm

By my count, I see 13 cruisers, 3 frigates, 2 corvettes and a bunch of transports as having survived.
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How are you differinciating between the some of those cruisers and the Galofree transports. Some of the closer ones, you can make out the spinal (spartan like, I've always thought) ridge on the Gallofree's but the others in the distance could be either.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-22 11:52pm

The ships in the background facing forward appear to have two lights (reflections from the DS2 about to go boom?) on them, but in the wrong place for the engines of the Gallofree Transport and the count is wrong (transports have three engines). The color and overall shape are also different as well.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-23 12:02am

I only see six ships with a blobby like structure with multible engines (reversed, I might add. the engines are on the bottom or the left hand side and top on the right) like the liberty type.

Two more on the far right hand side, with four engines, more or less like the wingless cruiser.

And four blobs that don't appear to have any engine lights, and a further four that appear to have two engine flares/lights.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-09-23 12:06am

I disagre...

I count 18 Transports. 6 Cruisers, 2 Corvettes and at least one frigate. The vast majority of the ships are the transports...and IMHO, 6 Cruisers and 18 Transports is far more in line with all the other shots of the Rebel fleet in ROTJ then 13 Mon Cal Cruisers.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-23 12:11am

Chris OFarrell wrote:I disagre...

I count 18 Transports. 6 Cruisers, 2 Corvettes and at least one frigate. The vast majority of the ships are the transports...and IMHO, 6 Cruisers and 18 Transports is far more in line with all the other shots of the Rebel fleet in ROTJ then 13 Mon Cal Cruisers.

Keep in mind that there are other ship classes at Endor than just Mon Cal. though.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-23 12:13am

Specifically these ones.

Its possible that one of the box like engine structures in Phongn's pics is the 'bulk cruiser' looking one. It's possible that one of the blobs, is the 'Dreadnaught' looking one. In which case, the count of cruisers go up, with out having more 'Mon Cal' cruisers.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-23 12:18am

Here's my classification of the various ships we see onscreen

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-09-23 12:24am

Hmmm, I don't think I agree with you two Nebs on the far right side. And you missed the Neb in front of and slightly above the Falcon.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2004-09-23 06:36am

Has it ever been explained why the Alliance brought so many Gallofree transports to the battle? Was it a desperate attempt to slightly increase the total firepower of their fleet (4 twin laser cannons per each freighter)?

Black Admiral · Post by **Black Admiral** » 2004-09-23 06:39am

Oberleutnant wrote:Has it ever been explained why the Alliance brought so many Gallofree transports to the battle? Was it a desperate attempt to slightly increase the total firepower of their fleet (4 twin laser cannons per each freighter)?

According to the ROTJ novel, they were loaded with explosives and used as improvised (and extremely large) proton torpedoes.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-23 06:52am

Black Admiral wrote:According to the ROTJ novel, they were loaded with explosives and used as improvised (and extremely large) proton torpedoes.

Um, the proper analogous term would be 'fire ship' I do believe. Or just as applicable would be kamikaze.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2004-09-23 07:38am

Thanks!

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-23 08:47am

Oberleutnant wrote:Has it ever been explained why the Alliance brought so many Gallofree transports to the battle? Was it a desperate attempt to slightly increase the total firepower of their fleet (4 twin laser cannons per each freighter)?

Some of them may also have been in something like an "armed merchant cruiser" configuration for fending off fighter attacks or to throw torpedo salvos.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-09-23 08:54am

phongn wrote:
Oberleutnant wrote:Has it ever been explained why the Alliance brought so many Gallofree transports to the battle? Was it a desperate attempt to slightly increase the total firepower of their fleet (4 twin laser cannons per each freighter)?
Some of them may also have been in something like an "armed merchant cruiser" configuration for fending off fighter attacks or to throw torpedo salvos.

You mean like Q-ships? Or am I thinking of something else?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-23 09:04am

Something like Q-ships, yes, but with only bolt-on modifications as opposed to the more extensive ones on British and German ships.

SpyderGS · Post by **SpyderGS** » 2004-09-23 09:20am

So is this one of the new shots? (Haven't cracked my copy of the DVDs open yet) And it's pre-DS2 destruction? Did I read that right?

If so, could this be an attempt by Lucas to stave off the "Endor Ecological Disaster" situation that would be precipitated by the debris from DS2?

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-09-23 09:55am

It's definitely of higher quality than the SE.

wautd · Post by **wautd** » 2004-09-23 10:27am

I doubt the transports were used as fireships because we never saw a kamikaze run in the movie and a lot survived the battle. Just added for a little extra firepower seems most logical to me

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-23 10:28am

I don´t get this explanation of all those freighters being simple 'kamikaze'-ships. There wouldn´t be any "survivors" left of this type if their purpose was to crash into Imperial ships, and there´s dozens left in that pic!
I like the "armed merchant cruiser"-explanation best, since it´s fits in with all the shots of them sticking close to the bigger ships (instead of veering off and hitting the closest destroyers).

(And there´s said to be Spoiler

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-09-23 11:34am

SpyderGS wrote:So is this one of the new shots? (Haven't cracked my copy of the DVDs open yet) And it's pre-DS2 destruction? Did I read that right?

This is immediately before the DS2 blew and a similar scene was in the original movie.

If so, could this be an attempt by Lucas to stave off the "Endor Ecological Disaster" situation that would be precipitated by the debris from DS2?

Saxton noted that the Rebels managed to shield a small section of the forest moon.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-23 11:47am

The shot is the same as the original, they just added more ships.

Darwin · Post by **Darwin** » 2004-09-23 02:47pm

well, what could modified transports be used for in the rebel fleet?

two things, I'd guess, fighter screening and torpedo boats.