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Just watched ESB, anyway, and I think it was the same with the SE, but in the wampa cave, right after Luke chops of an arm, he runs for the enterance, and then takes a quick second look back.

At this point, you can hear the sound effect of a light saber deactivating. Problem is, the SFX of the lightsaber is still on.

With all the things they 'tweaked', they couldn't fix this one?

And the 'Emperor' is, well.............I don't see the point in the new dialouge.

For me the new dialogue is just odd sounding.

Why have Vader search his feelings...I mean is he hunting Luke now because he doesn't know? .

They should've kept the dialogue and just had McDairmond just be the head.

Ghost Rider wrote:For me the new dialogue is just odd sounding.

Why have Vader search his feelings...I mean is he hunting Luke now because he doesn't know? .

They should've kept the dialogue and just had McDairmond just be the head.

Agreed. Vader already mentioned 'Skywalker' as his main interest in finding the rebel base. "That is it, and Skywalker is there. Set your course for the Hoth system." Or something like that.

So he atleast knows that Lukes name is Skywalker. McDairmound face looks a little wierd, but other than that, they should have kept the original dialouge.

Just remeber gents, Lucas always intended it to be that way.

The dialogue was indeed odd, I mean the opening fucking crawl says that Vader is obsessed with findinmg the young Skywalker. "Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know you tapped that ass one last time before joining me."

Stravo wrote:Just remeber gents, Lucas always intended it to be that way.

The dialogue was indeed odd, I mean the opening fucking crawl says that Vader is obsessed with findinmg the young Skywalker. "Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know you tapped that ass one last time before joining me."

"How is that possible, I used a Force condom." *Darth Vader breathing*

Knife wrote:

Stravo wrote:Just remeber gents, Lucas always intended it to be that way.

The dialogue was indeed odd, I mean the opening fucking crawl says that Vader is obsessed with findinmg the young Skywalker. "Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know you tapped that ass one last time before joining me."

"How is that possible, I used a Force condom." *Darth Vader breathing*

It was past it's expiration date...

Stravo wrote:Just remeber gents, Lucas always intended it to be that way.

The dialogue was indeed odd, I mean the opening fucking crawl says that Vader is obsessed with findinmg the young Skywalker. "Search your feelings Lord Vader, you know you tapped that ass one last time before joining me."

Heh...and please let's not remind us old geezers that movie we saw at 8-10 and was ESB was not his "true" vision. .

I mean also that whole "Search your feeling..." is just bad. I mean what Vader heard it now, and thinks "Y'know...that's some good shit...when I next meet Luke, gotta remember this line."

Ghost Rider wrote:
Heh...and please let's not remind us old geezers that movie we saw at 8-10 and was ESB was not his "true" vision. .

I mean also that whole "Search your feeling..." is just bad. I mean what Vader heard it now, and thinks "Y'know...that's some good shit...when I next meet Luke, gotta remember this line."

Gotta hand it to Lucas, he just wants to make sure that we get it, needs to make sure that we know that it all builds up and makes sense in the end. You know, cuz of all those confused people who came out of the theaters in 1980.

Just like the Greedo thing, need to make damn sure that everyone knows Han is a GOOD GUY cuz he shots second. Even if we have to demasculate him, take away his roughness and the notorious scoundral feel. We'll just make sure to 'call' him a scoundral in the next film to remind everyone that he is one.

I've said it again and again; this constant attitude of revisionism, the failure to keep the EU thematically and technically connected to the films (while aping the plot and its devices repetatively), much less internally consistent, and refusal to put the original cut on the releases shows a great deal of PR stupidity on the part of GL and LFL.

Maybe it is his story to run into the ground, but alienating the adult fans of the original release (which often bring it to their children and serve as an efficient quality control as far as fanbases go) and replacing them with kid-nerds like your average moron at TFN Lit is stupid. We've seen the marketing paradigm of "turn out cheap, repetative shit and cultivate a nerdy young male consumer base over your traditional base". Its called Star Trek, and its dying very quickly.

Jesus Christ, sorry, but this whinging is shitting me- not all of it, the Emperor whinging.

I suppose you guys whining just plain fucking forgot that the original ESB line *also* said "we have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker"- even though the opening crawl and the Battle of Hoth reveals Vader is already searching. Sorry, but this is one place where it's just unjustified "waaah, I liked it the old way, waaahhhh!" without remembering what the old lines really were. IMO, Vader is simply playing dumb when he says how is that possible. Why the fuck else would he be tearing around looking for Luke?

Vympel wrote:Jesus Christ, sorry, but this whinging is shitting me- not all of it, the Emperor whinging.

I suppose you guys whining just plain fucking forgot that the original ESB line *also* said "we have a new enemy, Luke Skywalker"- even though the opening crawl and the Battle of Hoth reveals Vader is already searching. For those of you who don't get it, Vader is PLAYING DUMB- just like he was playing dumb in the original film, FFS.

I just dislike the whole "I need to drill into people's head because we have to make sure they remember" more then not.

Seriously Vader is hunting for Skywalker. We don't know until much later why. The whole "search your feelings about Anakin's kids!" was just pointless. Why revise a speech when the original still portrayed the same value?

That type of revisionism is what I detest.

Seriously Vader is hunting for Skywalker. We don't know until much later why. The whole "search your feelings about Anakin's kids!" was just pointless. Why revise a speech when the original still portrayed the same value?

Actually the new dialogue seems to tie in with a plot-point in ROTS. Apparantly GL wants to point out that Vader is keeping secrets from Palps, including his search for Luke. When he says "How is that possible?" he´s playing dumb, pretending he doesn´t know what Palpatine is talking about.

Unless it ends up not being tied to ROTS, I´m going to treat this as deliberate, not an error.

I understand that he wants it to tie in...but that's even a problem.

Why not in ANH, when Vader is streaking down the Trench instead of "The Force is Strong in this one" he instead goes "Luke?" or perhaps "This cannot be!"

He should just what he did stand, and alter EP III to fit what he has...not alter the past to fit EP III.

In some ways I'm glad he didn't touch Indiana Jones...except to make some changes.

Vader wouldn't know who it was in the trench run- his "the force is strong in this one" is appropriate. 3 years passed in between ANH and ESB, Rebel propaganda certainly lionized the young Rebel who destroyed the Death Star.

Perhaps we're supposed to think that Vader is just pissed off at Luke Skywalker for blowing up the Death Star and leaving him out in deep space. It's personal man, it's about revenge! The Empire's honor is at stake.

Oh, and it's his long lost son, whoa!

Vader may suspect it, but maybe he has the excuse that he either 1) Doesn't even remember who he is (doubtful). 2) Skywalker is a common name and he's sure that he never knocked up Padme or thought she died in childbirth or something (ROTS has the potential to answer this).

Then there's the idea that he's trying to hide something from Palpy and yes, playing dumb. Palpy is just doing this to let Vader KNOW that he knows.

The original line sounds to me more like a threat, a warning, and finally an "Okay, Vader, I'll give you this one chance" type of deal. The new line is more like "Oh shit Vader, we're in big trouble now, good luck! Oh btw, I already know about this, wink."

I know the text isn't much different, but I mean the way he says it.

The other way to see the new scene is like "Hmmm, okay Vader, you've been obsessed about this Luke Skywalker and chasing him all over the galaxy, but you have no idea why..." that doesn't make much sense. The "we have a new Enemy..." thing sounds like one of those "well as you know Bob..." lines, but it could make sense in that it's saying "this wasn't just a lucky accident some guy blew up the Death Star, this Luke guy is a growing threat, he's Jedi material!" Acknowleding that fact that he's Vader's son is just a way of saying "whoa, this guy might be as powerful/more powerful than you, so better nip this one in the bud!"

Anyway, that's kind of how I look at it. Otherwise, why change the scene? Listen to the commentary, and wait for ROTS I guess...


*Gazes into the future*

Vader: You are a part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor, take her away! Oh and your allowance is cut off!

Leia: What??!

Vader: *whistles & quickly strolls off* Guards!

All the supposed complaining and saying its bad PR to not release the originals, yet its destroying records. Most of the changes don't even seem like much of a marketting ploy anyways, more like that's just the way he wanted them to be. Other than the Han being honourable the rest of the changes are not significant to affect any plot points unless connected in ROTS.

I understand that he wants it to tie in...but that's even a problem.

Why not in ANH, when Vader is streaking down the Trench instead of "The Force is Strong in this one" he instead goes "Luke?" or perhaps "This cannot be!"

He should just what he did stand, and alter EP III to fit what he has...not alter the past to fit EP III.

I don´t think this is something he´s known ever since ROTS, just something he´s found out after ANH. Thus keeping it a secret from the Emperor, until he can find Luke and convince him to turn on his master. This doesn´t need to have any more significance except Lucas wanting to solidify that Vader was quietly rebelling and having his own agenda.

In addition to this, I believe (from looking at behind-the-scenes material) that Vader´s "seed of rebellion" is planted at the end of ROTS, when he wakes up to find Palpatine has decieved him to get him on his side.

the GL commentary at "i am your father scene that Vader wants power and sees his son as his spear head for that was really cool and tied into Anakins lust for power to control the galaxy to fit his needs was a cool touch.

I always saw this as a moment of vulnerability for Vader.

On the one hand he can justify turning Luke to the Darkside for power and for the glory of the Sith, etc. but also it's a way to keep his son alive. The "good in him" wants Luke alive, rather than dead.

There's also the double meaning in Palpatine's lines.. "he would be a great asset." It's more evident in the original scene, because unlike Ian McDirmind's poker face, the old Emperor seemed to smile a bit, like he was thinking "yes, he WOULD be a great replacement for Vader that I've been hoping for all along!"

Cool to hear George's perspective on the story nonetheless...