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Time to put an end to this debate.

Visual evidince supporting the SW side
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We all bitched and complained "When the dvd's come out the debate will be settled!!!oneone111!!!". Well time to settle it.

Debate.

I can see the arrow siloueted against the white of the armor. The arrow went through the body glove.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Starshi ... elmet4.jpg

Not exactly surprising given just how unprotected the back of the kneck is.

Not very much to debate really. This was one of the things I paid very close attention to watching ROTJ earlier this week (ok, I watched all three movies a couple of times this week ). I've never understood how there ever could be any controversies about this, as it always has been clear to me (and to any sane people) what occured. Dorkstar has many, many points to concede...

Anyone got a pic of the arrow bounce sequence?

Of course, there is a seperate issue of how the arrows penetrated the body glove at all. Those arrows had cut wood tips, didn't have fletching and were flopping in flight around because of it, were travelling dirt slow for arrows, and couldn't have been fired from a bow with a large pull. They should be hard pressed to penetrate bareskin or cardboard, let alone the stormtroopers body glove.

Weird shit.

All you really needed to look at was the amount of dead or wounded Stormtroopers after the big ewok ambush. Not many. That can be seen with the tapes.

Yet another one of DarkStar's moronic arguments definitively crippled by the DVD.

Edit picture, with a nice zoom in:
http://gflpraxis.no-ip.com/arrow3-edit.jpg

That should end any debate on the subject. Even you-know-who can't deny it without pretending to be blind.

What I've always found amazing is his "Stormtroopers are blind" arguement, how Obi-wan waved his hand and ran right past the stormtroopers without them seeing him, so Stormtroopers must have bad eyesight and be stupid.

I've known FIVE YEAR OLDS that could tell that Obi-wan used a jedi mind trick! What do you think the hand-waving was for???

Are those pictures at the correct aspect ratio? They seem a little thin...

Vympel wrote:Anyone got a pic of the arrow bounce sequence?

I don't have a clip of it, but I thought I was seeing things when taking the screen shots. Good to know I'm not crazy.

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Are those pictures at the correct aspect ratio? They seem a little thin...

I thought they looked alittle squashed too... it's the way they came out of powerdvd.

Laird wrote: I thought they looked alittle squashed too... it's the way they came out of powerdvd.

PowerDVD's done that before when I've used it. I use MPlayer Classic for most image taking now.

Sharp-kun wrote:

Laird wrote: I thought they looked alittle squashed too... it's the way they came out of powerdvd.

PowerDVD's done that before when I've used it. I use MPlayer Classic for most image taking now.

OT: How does one take pictures in MPC? I have it...I just didn't realize it took screen caps.

There's a way you can fix PowerDVD, but I forget how. You need to order it to take the capture in the proper way.

Laird wrote: OT: How does one take pictures in MPC? I have it...I just didn't realize it took screen caps.

File > Save Image

Master of Ossus wrote:Yet another one of DarkStar's moronic arguments definitively crippled by the DVD.

Add one more

Blasters are weak. Using the Leia hit scene as his evidence. Before it wasn't completely clear if it grazes her and hits the wall or hits her arm. You can now tell that most of the hits is indeed on the wall

Isolder74 wrote: Add one more

Blasters are weak. Using the Leia hit scene as his evidence. Before it wasn't completely clear if it grazes her and hits the wall or hits her arm. You can now tell that most of the hits is indeed on the wall

How much of his bullshit is based entirely on poor image quality?

Isolder74 wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Yet another one of DarkStar's moronic arguments definitively crippled by the DVD.

Add one more

Blasters are weak. Using the Leia hit scene as his evidence. Before it wasn't completely clear if it grazes her and hits the wall or hits her arm. You can now tell that most of the hits is indeed on the wall

Actually, I could tell that just with a close look at the picture on his own site.

Praxis wrote:

Isolder74 wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Yet another one of DarkStar's moronic arguments definitively crippled by the DVD.

Add one more

Blasters are weak. Using the Leia hit scene as his evidence. Before it wasn't completely clear if it grazes her and hits the wall or hits her arm. You can now tell that most of the hits is indeed on the wall

Actually, I could tell that just with a close look at the picture on his own site.

Yes but it is fuzzy eough to allow wiggle room. Wiggle room is now much narrower

DarkStar has indeed kept on about this using the DVD screencaps. One of the first things he did. +http://st-v-sw.net/dvdtemp.html

Edit:

DorkStar wrote:(Update: Though it boggles the mind, SD.Net denizens are still claiming, even on the basis of the DVD, that the arrow didn't penetrate the armor, but instead that it is sticking into the trooper's exposed neck/upper back. I must say, they never cease to amaze me . . . and not in a good way.)

Isolder74 wrote:

Master of Ossus wrote:Yet another one of DarkStar's moronic arguments definitively crippled by the DVD.

Add one more

Blasters are weak. Using the Leia hit scene as his evidence. Before it wasn't completely clear if it grazes her and hits the wall or hits her arm. You can now tell that most of the hits is indeed on the wall

Even with VHS it is quite clear it was sharpnel not a blaster bolt that hit Leia.

Rogue 9 wrote:DarkStar has indeed kept on about this using the DVD screencaps. One of the first things he did. +http://st-v-sw.net/dvdtemp.html

Edit:

DorkStar wrote:(Update: Though it boggles the mind, SD.Net denizens are still claiming, even on the basis of the DVD, that the arrow didn't penetrate the armor, but instead that it is sticking into the trooper's exposed neck/upper back. I must say, they never cease to amaze me . . . and not in a good way.)

I'm fed up with DorkStar. He's a complete [insert proper word here penis ~Pablo]. I mean, his site has been rather amusing at times with all the "fallacies" he describes (hey DorkStar, have you ever considered buying a dictionary?), but now even the most fanatical of his disciples must realize that he's lost all his credibility. Has he even looked at the screenshots?

To "Fix" powerdvd, (at least this is how it works in version 5.x), go:

Configuration--->

Player Setting tab---->

"Advanced" button---->

Snapshot tab:
(select capture to file) for Default Capture Mode

(select current video window size) for Captured Aspect Ratio

That's when you're running the video full screen and it will capture the aspect ratio (assuming you've selected keep aspect ratio for the widescreen version). That way it captures it how you see it, rather than that weird squished version which is the default.

Good to see another of these arguments cleared up! *thank you George*

He's fucking blind- he really thinks that those screenshots prove his point, never mind that the brown of the arrow runs RIGHT THROUGH the white that he thinks it penetrated.

Of course, he does this by using a horrible quality pic- compare his shit-fuck pic:

+http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/VisAid/Ro ... 3-temp.jpg

to the one laird posted.

Fucking delusional twit.

Vympel wrote:He's fucking blind- he really thinks that those screenshots prove his point, never mind that the brown of the arrow runs RIGHT THROUGH the white that he thinks it penetrated.

Of course, he does this by using a horrible quality pic- compare his shit-fuck pic:

+http://www.st-v-sw.net/images/VisAid/Ro ... 3-temp.jpg

to the one laird posted.

Fucking delusional twit.

ROFL! What a laugh! He puts a picture there that OBVIOUSLY, *OBVIOUSLY* shows Alderaan's shield, and DIRECTLY beneath it, "nothing to indicate a shield". Cracks me up.

Praxis wrote:ROFL! What a laugh! He puts a picture there that OBVIOUSLY, *OBVIOUSLY* shows Alderaan's shield, and DIRECTLY beneath it, "nothing to indicate a shield". Cracks me up.

I posted a separate thread in the HoS discussing DarkStar's ridiculous response.

With regard to the arrow, the only thing that needs to be said is "Okay. If you have a surface that is penetrated by a line, and you're looking at that surface from the side, are you going to see the surface or the line in the area of intersection? DarkStar says you'll see the line."