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When I was watching my TESB DVD the other day I noticed for the first time that the sequence when the ISD is struck by the ion cannon, they use both the old ANH model and the newer model made for TESB. Goes like this:

- Reikaan gives order to open shields

- 2x X-Wing and 1x GR-75 transport punch it

- Devastator-type ISD is seen approaching

- Officer informs Captain that Rebel ships are coming into their sector etc.

- Ion cannon fires

- Avenger-type ISD is struck, as the Rebel ships fly past it, we see that it has ring baffles on its engines, not the triple baffles of the Devastator-type seen seconds ago

A blooper in the context that we recognize there are two separate classes, yes, but the models *are* rather different in armament and detail in certain respects.

This leads me to the question- do the "true" ISDs of the SW universe exist beyond those two models? We already know from the toy soldier in the Executor city-scape that models can't be taken to exacting in every detail. because of the limitations involved in making a scale model of such huge ships. How do we treat the previous EU estimations of ISD weaponry, and where do the big, obvious guns on the models fit in there?

Just general rambling.

Are you sure? Because in the VHS SE version it looks like an Avenger-Type ISD in both shots.

Just checked the scene in slow mo. Nothing out of the ordinary. Their are the three main engines and the 4 smaller ones. As the rebel ships fly by the engines are flaring sort of on and off from the effect of the ion cannon but thats it.

Uh he's talking about the 'ringing' around the engines, on the inside on the main thrusters. ISD I's and ISD II's have different versions. One with a large ring, one broken up into three little wedges.

Vympel wrote:- Avenger-type ISD is struck, as the Rebel ships fly past it, we see that it has ring baffles on its engines, not the triple baffles of the Devastator-type seen seconds ago

I would suppose it is strange if in the whole production run, there were only two models. I would think that each batch might be slightly different, kind of like an evolutionary process. So there might be ISD 1.5s with twin VHTLs but newer ring baffles, or using the newer pit bridge ... etc.

That's a good idea. Maybe Block I, Block IA, Block 1B, etc.

I personally always liked the idea of one main class of ISD equipped with the best features of them both- i.e. the turrets of the Avenger-type on the port and starboard, the quad brim-notch guns of the Devastator type, the axial defense guns of the Devastator type, etc.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:

Vympel wrote:- Avenger-type ISD is struck, as the Rebel ships fly past it, we see that it has ring baffles on its engines, not the triple baffles of the Devastator-type seen seconds ago

I would suppose it is strange if in the whole production run, there were only two models. I would think that each batch might be slightly different, kind of like an evolutionary process. So there might be ISD 1.5s with twin VHTLs but newer ring baffles, or using the newer pit bridge ... etc.

Which is irrelevant to having the same ship show two different sterns in the same scene.

Yeah, I think Kaz was responding more to the other part of the post.

Actually, if you look closely, in the first shot it has both the ring baffle AND the triple baffles.

Why assume the Star Destroyer shot preceding the scene with the Captain HAS to be the same as the Avenger-type? There were a mix of ships at Hoth, and many of them simply were not seen onscreen (they're blockading the planet, chasing after escaping transports across the system, etc.)

Well, it's the only viable explanation, but it does conflict pretty harshly with the scene and the dialog- that the Star Destroyer seen approaching the planet is the one upon which the officers are aboard, that the Rebel ships are coming into their sector, they get hit, and the first transport is away.

Obviously, Star Destroyers can change shape at a whim. If they ever attack the Federation, they'll morph to resemble humongous dollar signs, and the capitalism-fearing Feddies will all pass out from terror.

SPOOFE wrote:Obviously, Star Destroyers can change shape at a whim. If they ever attack the Federation, they'll morph to resemble humongous dollar signs, and the capitalism-fearing Feddies will all pass out from terror.

Or a maid.

Vympel wrote:Well, it's the only viable explanation, but it does conflict pretty harshly with the scene and the dialog- that the Star Destroyer seen approaching the planet is the one upon which the officers are aboard, that the Rebel ships are coming into their sector, they get hit, and the first transport is away.

No, my point is, what is there that EXPLICITLY connects the scene of an ISD approaching Hoth to the rest of the segment? I know that might be the obvious intention, but intent does not neccesarily matter if there is a conflict. Its the same with the TESB novel reference to the same incident, or the Radio drama representation of the incident.