Dooku's arrival on Coruscant

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-14 03:50am

When Dooku's starship left the hanger it was seen by several Clonetroopers. Plus the Accamlators could have picked it up on their sensors. So why did not they transmitt that information to Coruscant so that when Dooku's ship arrives it is arrested ? A solar sail starship is after pretty rare I think. It wont be difficult to pick it out of the thousands of mundane ships.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2004-10-14 04:12am

The Shadow wrote:When Dooku's starship left the hanger it was seen by several Clonetroopers. Plus the Accamlators could have picked it up on their sensors. So why did not they transmitt that information to Coruscant so that when Dooku's ship arrives it is arrested ? A solar sail starship is after pretty rare I think. It wont be difficult to pick it out of the thousands of mundane ships.

They could've but I think another question would be how they would know it was going to Coruscant and not the thousands upon thousands of other worlds in the Republic. They can't contact them all at once I think, or can they.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-14 04:17am

Good point. I was thinking maybe they should have issued a galaxy wide alert to be on the look out for a particular solar sail starship. Coruscant force could have received the alert too.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-10-14 04:35am

The Jedi and the Grand Army probably did issue an APB for the detention of that ship. But remember that Dooku was en route to speak with Chancellor Palpatine, emperor of the galaxy in all but name. There's no telling how many strings he could pull to ensure that Dooku's arrival was under-the-radar. Add to this political intrigue the fact that both Dooku (Darth Tyranus) and Palpatine (Darth Sidious) were powerful Force users. Palpatine would later demonstrate the capability to affect the minds of many billions of people at once; it isn't difficult to suppose that he could "convince" Coruscant's air traffic controllers and law enforcement officials that this isn't the solar sailer they're looking for and that it can go about its business.

Lex · Post by **Lex** » 2004-10-14 05:11am

"That's not the solar sail you are looking for..."

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-14 12:48pm

In addition to Palpatine's string-pulling, with the ammount of traffic in the Coruscnt system, it seems easy to sneak in if you know what to do, as Lando and Luke did with the Falcon in Shadows of the Empire.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-14 03:27pm

When I first saw that scene I guessed that the "solar sail" was some kind of sensor disrupting device, like a stealth ship (not a cloaking device, but something to make tracking the ship difficult).

But nothing in the official literature seems to have taken up that idea, so nevermind. : P

I guess massive mind tricking could have been going on, as suggested above!

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-10-15 10:13am

JME2 wrote:In addition to Palpatine's string-pulling, with the ammount of traffic in the Coruscnt system, it seems easy to sneak in if you know what to do, as Lando and Luke did with the Falcon in Shadows of the Empire.

Of course they did so LITERALY sneaking in, hiding in the sensor shadow of a superfreighter. Duku approached completly openly.

Of course I don't dobut that Palpy could unofficaly or even perhaps officaly, with the right people, make him 'vanish' from Courscants tracking screens through some kind of command overide.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-10-15 10:16am

I don't see why we need to assume that Dooku's ship could be seen by sensors. I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?

Armored Goldbar · Post by **Armored Goldbar** » 2004-10-15 10:45am

Stravo wrote:I don't see why we need to assume that Dooku's ship could be seen by sensors. I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?

Or why why we need to assume that the Republic was actively looking for that ship. There was lots of traffic moving off Geonosis at the time and (I think) there was also a skirmish occurring in orbit. The Republic forces were not large and kinda had other things on their mind.

Furthermore, there are literally billions of starships in the galaxy and quite a few of them are capable of traveling at about 3.5 million times the speed of light. Even if Republic forces saw it and ID'd it as Dooku's ship, it literally "could be on the other side of the galaxy by now." I can't imagine that it was priority intelligence for many Republic systems, much less Coruscant itself. Without being in on the Sith conspiracy it's counterintuitive that Dooku would even travel to Republic space.

Coruscant was probably not even looking.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-10-15 10:52am

Stravo wrote:I don't see why we need to assume that Dooku's ship could be seen by sensors. I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?

Ummmm because we see said ship? Cloaking technology makes a ship vanish, including visualy.

The most likely answer is that the republic didn't get a good sensor profile of the ship, not good enough to use in standard recognition profiles. And as such, no 'all systems alert' has been uploaded into the republics traffic control computers.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-10-15 03:58pm

Robert Treder wrote:Add to this political intrigue the fact that both Dooku (Darth Tyranus) and Palpatine (Darth Sidious) were powerful Force users. Palpatine would later demonstrate the capability to affect the minds of many billions of people at once;

That was never EVER prooved. The specualtion in the X-Wing books also stated that Palpatine could also have simply killed the people in tha area where Lusyanka(sp?) was burried.

The simple explanation is Palpy had one of his people in Air Traffic control ignore it or he had programming in the IFF transmitter ignore the craft. With all the ships comming and leaving the Coruscant system it's be impossible to use visual scanning on every ship.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-15 05:37pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Stravo wrote:I don't see why we need to assume that Dooku's ship could be seen by sensors. I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?
Ummmm because we see said ship? Cloaking technology makes a ship vanish, including visualy.

The most likely answer is that the republic didn't get a good sensor profile of the ship, not good enough to use in standard recognition profiles. And as such, no 'all systems alert' has been uploaded into the republics traffic control computers.

Stealth and Cloaking are not the same thing. Why should we assume that a ship in Star Wars is either cloaked (Star Trek style) and completely invisible, or has no sensor jamming capabilities at all? I got the impression from the ICS that Maul's ship had a cloak, rather than stealth, correct me if I'm wrong there.

Wasn't it speculated that Fett's "Slave I" ship had stealth capabilities?

It was just a speculation of mine based on the odd "sail" thing, like it was something that would jam sensors. In other words it came from my imagination, I'm not saying it's proven. But at least it might provide a reason why they didn't just go "whoa, look it's Dooku!" and then just ignore him.

Point is we have stealth technology in our galaxy, in our century. It shouldn't be beyond the tech of Star Wars. So maybe, maybe, maybe...
; )

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-10-20 02:48am

Lord Pounder wrote:
Robert Treder wrote:Add to this political intrigue the fact that both Dooku (Darth Tyranus) and Palpatine (Darth Sidious) were powerful Force users. Palpatine would later demonstrate the capability to affect the minds of many billions of people at once;
That was never EVER prooved. The specualtion in the X-Wing books also stated that Palpatine could also have simply killed the people in tha area where Lusyanka(sp?) was burried.

The simple explanation is Palpy had one of his people in Air Traffic control ignore it or he had programming in the IFF transmitter ignore the craft. With all the ships comming and leaving the Coruscant system it's be impossible to use visual scanning on every ship.

I was talking about Byss, actually, rather than the Lusankya. And my point wasn't that Palpatine may have been fooling all of Coruscant, but rather exactly what you said: he either had his cronies look the other way, or he convinced the control towers that this wasn't the solar sailer they were looking for.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-20 07:08am

Sorry if it's off topic, but I noticed something the other day watching the scene where the LAAT drops off Obi-Wan and Anakin for their fateful battle with Dooku...

It looks, in the few frames before the ship "blows up" that two of the Clone Troopers get off (actually get off, not just move like they're about to) and take a step or two after the two Jedi. But in the next wide shot there is nobody on the platform.

I think this is a gaffe.. what, did the Troopers step out, then quickly jump back in, just in time to get blasted? Heh...

Armored Goldbar · Post by **Armored Goldbar** » 2004-10-20 10:22am

Naw. Not a gaffe. I doubt it would be unusual for a pair of troopers to at least cover the debarkation of the Jedi. They did the exact same thing in the arena except that the LZ was hot so we saw them fire before getting back on the transport.

Hardy · Post by **Hardy** » 2004-10-20 04:52pm

Kurgan wrote:Sorry if it's off topic, but I noticed something the other day watching the scene where the LAAT drops off Obi-Wan and Anakin for their fateful battle with Dooku...

It looks, in the few frames before the ship "blows up" that two of the Clone Troopers get off (actually get off, not just move like they're about to) and take a step or two after the two Jedi. But in the next wide shot there is nobody on the platform.

I think this is a gaffe.. what, did the Troopers step out, then quickly jump back in, just in time to get blasted? Heh...

No gaffe. IIRC, the troopers did debark but were knocked off of the pad as soon as the gunship blew up. You can verify this on the frame-by-frame. IIRC, they do indeed lose their balance and you lose sight of them with the debris later on.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-20 06:28pm

Thanks!

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-10-20 07:31pm

Kurgan wrote: Stealth and Cloaking are not the same thing.

I never said they were.

Why should we assume that a ship in Star Wars is either cloaked (Star Trek style) and completely invisible, or has no sensor jamming capabilities at all?

Because thats what it is? A cloaking device explictly hides the ship completly from visual sensors, making it invisable. Stealth methods such as a 'Sensor Stealth Mode' are simply about reducing the signniture on long range sensors, they don't make you invisable.

The fact that we can see Dookus ship means it is not cloaked, EOF.

I got the impression from the ICS that Maul's ship had a cloak, rather than stealth, correct me if I'm wrong there.

You are correct. Dooku doesn't. Which isn't that surprising. The Infiltrator was Mauls personal ship as a Sith. Dooku's ship is his 'public' ship.

Wasn't it speculated that Fett's "Slave I" ship had stealth capabilities?

I don't know and don't really care. MY point was simply this. Stravo said:

"I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?"

So I said:

"Ummmm because we see said ship? Cloaking technology makes a ship vanish, including visualy."

Stravo EXPLICTLY hypothesised that Dooku had the SAME cloaking device and used that. I rejected that theory on the grounds that as Dooku's ship is visable, it is clearly not using a cloaking device to dodge Courscant security. Stravo wasn't asking about the possibility of another stealth technology, he was asking about THAT stealth technology, which doesn't fit the bil.

You might want to read closer next time.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-21 06:30pm

Chris OFarrell wrote:
Because thats what it is? A cloaking device explictly hides the ship completly from visual sensors, making it invisable. Stealth methods such as a 'Sensor Stealth Mode' are simply about reducing the signniture on long range sensors, they don't make you invisable.

The fact that we can see Dookus ship means it is not cloaked, EOF.

I agree with you there. He's obviously not using a Cloaking Device. I said maybe he was using a stealth device, but that's purely speculative.

You are correct. Dooku doesn't. Which isn't that surprising. The Infiltrator was Mauls personal ship as a Sith. Dooku's ship is his 'public' ship.

Dooku's ship is one of many of those "Geonosian Fighters" we see on the planet. It doesn't seem to be special at all. So I figure they all have that 'solar sail' thing.

I don't know and don't really care. MY point was simply this. Stravo said:

"I mean Maul's ship was supposed to have a cloaking system (Sith Infiltrator) so why not have the same stealth system on Dooku's ship?"

So I said:

"Ummmm because we see said ship? Cloaking technology makes a ship vanish, including visualy."

And I agree with you. I don't think he had a cloak.

Stravo EXPLICTLY hypothesised that Dooku had the SAME cloaking device and used that. I rejected that theory on the grounds that as Dooku's ship is visable, it is clearly not using a cloaking device to dodge Courscant security. Stravo wasn't asking about the possibility of another stealth technology, he was asking about THAT stealth technology, which doesn't fit the bil.

Right, and I agree with you that I think Stavro was wrong. Sorry for any confusion there. I was talking about stealth, not cloaking.

You might want to read closer next time.

Next time I'll say in my first post that I'm agreeing with you, that should clear up any confusion.

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