Star Wars Canon Database gets some extra entries

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-15 02:34am

Check it out, guys. Vympel contributed notes from the AOTC novelization, and I added a few screenshots for two of the most heavily disputed scenes in ANH: the nature of turbolaser/shield interactions and the destruction of Alderaan.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-15 02:34am

Actually, I suppose this might belong in PSW instead of SWvST.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-10-15 05:18am

The bit where Biggs speaks about the Empire's past glory is interesting. Maybe the Empire democraticaly came into power and the people loved it in the early days. ROTS should clear this issue.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2004-10-15 07:43am

What about the chapter 4 of AoTC novelisation (when Anakin and Obi are returning to Coruscant) where it is stated that a hyperjump cannot be modified once in hyperspace?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-15 07:58am

vakundok wrote:What about the chapter 4 of AoTC novelisation (when Anakin and Obi are returning to Coruscant) where it is stated that a hyperjump cannot be modified once in hyperspace?

Vympel didn't include that in his quotes. You are always free to contribute that quote yourself.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-15 08:11am

Eh heck with it

Page 41 AoTC Paperback Novel:

There was little the Jedi could do about it now, of course, for a hyperspace jump couldn't be reset once the jump to lightspeed had already been made.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-10-15 08:13am

There was this what I noticed in ANH (this what I heard from the Movie dialoge)

ANH wrote:Luke:"It followed us"
Kenobi:"No It's short range fighter"

fact that Kenobi uses the TIE's range as proof of that couldn't have followed them counterdicts is proof that you can track objects in hyperspace (since the range of fighter is irrelevant if it can't track you anyway). This could also mean had it been a long range fighter could have followed them.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-15 11:20am

ANH-05.jpg and ANH-06.jpg don't show up...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2004-10-15 11:24am

Praxis wrote:ANH-05.jpg and ANH-06.jpg don't show up...

They do for me. Does anyone else have this problem, with the last two Deathstar pictures?

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-10-15 11:35am

I can see them just fine.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2004-10-15 11:41am

Ghost Raider: Thanks.

Win98 IE 6.0 SP1 the images are ok.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-10-15 11:49am

Darth Wong wrote:They do for me. Does anyone else have this problem, with the last two Deathstar pictures?

Nope. I'm using the latest version of Opera.

But I have a suggestion for the first ISD shield pic. Could you add a pic showing the bolt being fired into the shield before it hit?

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-10-15 12:15pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Praxis wrote:ANH-05.jpg and ANH-06.jpg don't show up...
They do for me. Does anyone else have this problem, with the last two Deathstar pictures?

No Mike, they showed up just fine (I'm using IE6).

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-15 12:21pm

Well, they're showing up now. That's funny...ah well. Very nice!

McNum · Post by **McNum** » 2004-10-15 01:52pm

It may just be me, but how do you get the conclusion from the quote from the ANH novelization p. 178 that the Death Star generates power from a mass-energy conversion?

I read it as they have an equation for planet busting meaning that a planet that has X mass will take Y energy to destroy. (It probably looks a lot like the one on this site, too.) Something that adds to the variable power settings of Star Wars weapons theory. The Empire usually are very efficient so wasting energy on an overpowered Superlaser shot doesn't really seem like their style to me. Or am I just reading it wrong?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-10-15 02:28pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Eh heck with it

Page 41 AoTC Paperback Novel:

There was little the Jedi could do about it now, of course, for a hyperspace jump couldn't be reset once the jump to lightspeed had already been made.

Resetting a course and altering.modifying an already-set course aren't the same thing.

Besides, its not strictly true. There are devices that can be added to hyperdrives that allow for "alternate" preprogrammed courses to be taken.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-15 02:32pm

McNum wrote:It may just be me, but how do you get the conclusion from the quote from the ANH novelization p. 178 that the Death Star generates power from a mass-energy conversion?

I read it as they have an equation for planet busting meaning that a planet that has X mass will take Y energy to destroy. (It probably looks a lot like the one on this site, too.) Something that adds to the variable power settings of Star Wars weapons theory. The Empire usually are very efficient so wasting energy on an overpowered Superlaser shot doesn't really seem like their style to me. Or am I just reading it wrong?

The Empire generally favors brute force and major overkill

McNum · Post by **McNum** » 2004-10-15 03:07pm

Praxis wrote:The Empire generally favors brute force and major overkill

True enough. Just look at Alderaan. Way over what would be needed to destroy it, but just enough for a powerful demonstration. But I still wonder if even the Empire doesn't think about power usage. Hypermatter in the quantities the Death Star uses can't be cheap. Especially if you go around blasting planets on a daily basis.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-10-15 04:26pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Eh heck with it

Page 41 AoTC Paperback Novel:

There was little the Jedi could do about it now, of course, for a hyperspace jump couldn't be reset once the jump to lightspeed had already been made.
Resetting a course and altering.modifying an already-set course aren't the same thing.

Besides, its not strictly true. There are devices that can be added to hyperdrives that allow for "alternate" preprogrammed courses to be taken.

I understand that...just actually slapping down the entry and where it was from in the AoTC novel.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-15 04:30pm

McNum wrote:
Praxis wrote:The Empire generally favors brute force and major overkill
True enough. Just look at Alderaan. Way over what would be needed to destroy it, but just enough for a powerful demonstration. But I still wonder if even the Empire doesn't think about power usage. Hypermatter in the quantities the Death Star uses can't be cheap. Especially if you go around blasting planets on a daily basis.

If the shields were down (shouldn't be too hard, there must be a garrison of Stormtroopers SOMEWHERE on the planet...), three ISD's could wipe out the planet very quickly.

Or just build a very big nuke, or just poison the atmosphere, or...etc, etc.

But nooo...they have to blow up the ENTIRE thing! lol

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-10-15 07:41pm

Lord Revan wrote:There was this what I noticed in ANH (this what I heard from the Movie dialoge)
ANH wrote:Luke:"It followed us"
Kenobi:"No It's short range fighter"
fact that Kenobi uses the TIE's range as proof of that couldn't have followed them counterdicts is proof that you can track objects in hyperspace (since the range of fighter is irrelevant if it can't track you anyway). This could also mean had it been a long range fighter could have followed them.

We already know it's possible to follow a ship in hyperspace if you jump immediately after it and are close enough to detect its wake. See the Black Fleet Crisis, when the Teljkon Vagabond was followed in this manner by some overeager ex-Imperial Carrack.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-10-16 01:54am

Rogue 9 wrote:We already know it's possible to follow a ship in hyperspace if you jump immediately after it and are close enough to detect its wake. See the Black Fleet Crisis, when the Teljkon Vagabond was followed in this manner by some overeager ex-Imperial Carrack.

and how is this a counterdiction to what I just said. It doesn't matter how track it, just that can (while WEG says you can't) (sub track ship by tracking their sound not by tracking the ship itself). What I said was just more proof to well known fact.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-10-16 02:25am

*curses*

Missed a technical quote. *shakes fist*

My notes on TESB novelization are coming along alright as well

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2004-10-16 09:09am

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Eh heck with it

Page 41 AoTC Paperback Novel:

There was little the Jedi could do about it now, of course, for a hyperspace jump couldn't be reset once the jump to lightspeed had already been made.
Resetting a course and altering.modifying an already-set course aren't the same thing.

Besides, its not strictly true. There are devices that can be added to hyperdrives that allow for "alternate" preprogrammed courses to be taken.

I cannot see the difference between altering-modifying and resetting after the ship is in hyperspace. At that point what is resetting if not alternating the destination and/or the path?
(All what Kenobi wanted to do was to emerge earlier from hyperspace (farther from Coruscant).)

Other thing:
In the walker reference (ROTJ p 122). Are you sure that that mentioned cannon refers to the cannon used by the carried soldiers, not by the vehicle itself?

Post by **Gandalf** » 2004-10-17 03:11am

My analysis is done, where do I send it?