Had Han become a believer by the end?

Jean Paul · Post by **Jean Paul** » 2004-10-16 04:38am

Or was he still "calling it luck"?

I mean, obviously there's no denying what Vader did, but if he wasn't inclined to "believe" anyway he could probably tell himself that Vader must have shields and tractor beams built into his robo-body.

And he was blind during the Sarlacc battle so he didn't see what Luke was up to.

In ROTJ when Luke was saying he was endangering the mission (he could feel Vader and knew Vader could feel him) Han was like "It's your imagination kid".

C3PO's levitation in the ewok village... well maybe he could have rationalised that goldenrod must have some repulsors he never told anyone about. Those damn sneaky droids.

So did Han come round to acknowledge the reality of the power of the Force by the end, or was he still an unbeliever?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2004-10-16 11:08am

Well, I don't think it was a matter of "believer" and "unbeliever". He did realize that the Force gives people abilities and does exist by the end, but he never 'converted' or anything

Utah Jak · Post by **Utah Jak** » 2004-10-16 11:11am

That's hard to tell. I personally believed that he had begun to acknowledge the Force after the movies. As for the EU, college is absorbing all my time so I haven't kept up like I wanted to.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-16 11:15am

Han would have to be purposefully ignorent if he was still in denial by the time of events such as The Courtship of Princess Leia, considering that Gethzerion used the Force to break his bones and make his teeth explode.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-10-16 12:16pm

Hans gotta know what a Jedi Knight is. He would have been a kid at the time of the Clone wars but still.

Anikin as a little kid on a back water little shit ball of a world knew what a Jedi Knight was way back in the day so when Han was a kid and the Jedi were still around, in a war no less, he should know what one is and what they are suppost to be able to do.

So the question isn't weather Han believes in the Force or that the Jedi have some sort of super powers, rather the whole super uber mystisym thing of the universe being interconnected stuff.

IMO

Trytostaydead · Post by **Trytostaydead** » 2004-10-16 01:14pm

I agree, Han most definitely should've been around the time of the fall of the jedi.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-16 01:24pm

IIRC, Han was only about five years old by the time the Clone Wars ended. It's possible that he might have been too young to really learn that much about Jedi and the Force other than the misinformation that they were crazy witches and wizards.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2004-10-16 01:30pm

Every time I do the math on Han's age, I always have him at 7 when the Clone Wars began, and thirteen years younger than Anakin.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-10-16 01:58pm

Yeah, you're right. Han was born 29 years BBY, while the Clone Wars start 22 years BBY, so he would have been six or seven by then.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-10-16 02:36pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yeah, you're right. Han was born 29 years BBY, while the Clone Wars start 22 years BBY, so he would have been six or seven by then.

And ten or so when the war ended. As old as Anikin was on Tatooine when he saw Qui Jon's 'laser sword' and knew he was a Jedi.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-10-16 07:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:IIRC, Han was only about five years old by the time the Clone Wars ended. It's possible that he might have been too young to really learn that much about Jedi and the Force other than the misinformation that they were crazy witches and wizards.

Given that his earliest memories were of wandering the streets of Corellia as shown in the Han prequel-trilogy, I agreed; I'm sure that the Jedi were the last thing on his mind.

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-10-16 11:02pm

You also have to remember that Han was a young person wandering the streets of Corellia, a core world. Under the Empire things could have been hush hush about the Jedi,

Though according to Tales: Han meet Quilan Vos

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-10-16 11:38pm

Tychu wrote:You also have to remember that Han was a young person wandering the streets of Corellia, a core world. Under the Empire things could have been hush hush about the Jedi,

Though according to Tales: Han meet Quilan Vos

He was wandering the streets of Corellia. A major planet, durring the time of the Clone Wars and then the Jedi Purge. Whether or not he had a happy happy joy joy feeling about the Jedi is not the question. He should have enough information from his youth to realize that the Force is a reality.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-10-18 10:56am

There's a difference between acknowledging the abilities that the Jedi can call upon and acknowledging the Force as a presence that controls everything. "There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny. All a bunch of simply tricks and nonsense." Also, it's referred to as a Jedi mind trick. There seems to be a general skepticism about the way the Jedi view the Force. I think their abilities are recognized and acknowledged, but the Force as a whole...eh.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2004-10-18 11:48am

he knew about jedi in rotj, at least to say that luke was getting delusions of grandeur.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2004-10-18 07:33pm

With so few Jedi in the galaxy, perhaps there was a certain skepticism, superstition, etc. and mystery surrounding their infrequent appearances. This may sometimes have worked to their advantage (see some Marxian rhetoric about "priestcraft" and "inspiring fear" etc), or sometimes not too I guess (people like Han and Motti underestimating the Jedi's powers).