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Vong High petaton weaponry! WTF? Weren't their warships roughly similar to the newer classes of SD? Because the figures that I have been hearing for ISDs suggest low teraton weaponry at best.

Someone most likely got his firgures mixed up happens all the time after all look at star trek writers.

Teraton figures if you go of of Mike page TL was in the gigaton or are you talking about a full salvo then yeah its in the Teratons.

Murazor wrote:Vong High petaton weaponry! WTF? Weren't their warships roughly similar to the newer classes of SD? Because the figures that I have been hearing for ISDs suggest low teraton weaponry at best.

Yes, because even Low Petaton is going to matter worth shit to the Covenant?

And actually mid range Petaton firepower would be at the absolute max for all the guns...gioven the Vong were capable of holding ground and defeating Wars technology.

dragon wrote:Someone most likely got his firgures mixed up happens all the time after all look at star trek writers.

Teraton figures if you go of of Mike page TL was in the gigaton or are you talking about a full salvo then yeah its in the Teratons.

Read the AoTC ICS...something that does override Mike....yeesh.

Actually it agrees with mike

However, the SW2ICS quantifies their official capabilities for us: each Acclamator carries 12 200-gigaton quad-turbolaser turrets, and 24 6-megaton light guns, in addition to being armed with four huge forward-firing missile launch tubes. There are lots of other specifications in SW2ICS, but I don't see the point in regurgitating all of those specifications here. Instead, I would encourage you to go buy a copy of the SW2ICS for yourself.

A full salvo is 2400GT or 2.4TT which is what I said.

dragon wrote:Actually it agrees with mike

However, the SW2ICS quantifies their official capabilities for us: each Acclamator carries 12 200-gigaton quad-turbolaser turrets, and 24 6-megaton light guns, in addition to being armed with four huge forward-firing missile launch tubes. There are lots of other specifications in SW2ICS, but I don't see the point in regurgitating all of those specifications here. Instead, I would encourage you to go buy a copy of the SW2ICS for yourself.

A full salvo is 2400GT or 2.4TT which is what I said.

For a twenty year old TRANSPORT....which happens not to have the same GUN compliment of the items I was talking of...unless you think the ISD has the same fucking weaponry compliment?

But nope, that's your nitpick. Congrats fucktard.

Which is the point I'm making.

The ISD is larger, and the stuff used in NJO is at least ISD level if not above by some accounts. And this discounts the HTLs entirely which have shown far more firepower in that regard, fuck it disregards an APLHA STRIKE, moron...fucking A.

First at least I have intelligence not to degenerate to name calling like a 5 year old. And second just because one cannon challanges another don't mean you can pick on over over the other. After all how many times do we see that in Star Trek.

As for ISD having more weapons yes thats true. But as every body points to DBZ for evidence of firepower it has calculated many times each shot is in the GT range. So and Alpha stirke you still give TT ranges. Now as I have only read some of the NJO books and the ones I have don't show any great improvements in firepower over TESB how about you give some examples to educate me. Since I have been working for the last 24 hours and now off it will be a couple of days before I see your reply.

dragon wrote:First at least I have intelligence not to degenerate to name calling like a 5 year old. And second just because one cannon challanges another don't mean you can pick on over over the other. After all how many times do we see that in Star Trek.

As for ISD having more weapons yes thats true. But as every body points to DBZ for evidence of firepower it has calculated many times each shot is in the GT range. So and Alpha stirke you still give TT ranges. Now as I have only read some of the NJO books and the ones I have don't show any great improvements in firepower over TESB how about you give some examples to educate me. Since I have been working for the last 24 hours and now off it will be a couple of days before I see your reply.

Yes, I must resort to using five year old name...you care to stop being a nitpicking bitch and actually relate to the topic, or should I just saying you're a spammy whore as well?

Hmmm...let's see the ISD has more then 100 cannons, half are both MTLs and LTL.

You don't address anything but presume that a warship and a troop carrier have firepower parity and disregard the size difference of the reactor.

And I called you all that because you're acting like a nitpicking bitch who is harping on one example. Gee...the alpha strike give mid TT...oops, still doesn't mean that I was somehow misplacing my numbers fucktard. If you actually read, meaning that you grasped it...the firepower to actually well compete with Wars tech has to achieve PT range. The shields are easily in that arena...fine I made the mistake of dealing with two nitpicking bitches who instantly harp that I must mean every gun is in PT range.

Sorry.

Now to end this...nope the guns aren't but the firepower must achieve that level within a short period of time in order to overcome the shields of the warships.

And one last bit...you have yet to prove beyond appeals to authority.

Literally you both nitpicked and threw onto a tangetial subject why again?

Hey, Ghost Rider, did you know it's possible to both be right AND an asshole?

First off I want to aplogize the way my post came off I had been up for over 30 hours and wasn't thinking straightand misworded the sentence. Secondly I was not saying you misplaced your numbers. Third I could be a real nitpicker and pick apart your post but since you don't like nitpickers I won't

Ghost Rider wrote:

Murazor wrote:Vong High petaton weaponry! WTF? Weren't their warships roughly similar to the newer classes of SD? Because the figures that I have been hearing for ISDs suggest low teraton weaponry at best.

Yes, because even Low Petaton is going to matter worth shit to the Covenant?

And actually mid range Petaton firepower would be at the absolute max for all the guns...gioven the Vong were capable of holding ground and defeating Wars technology.

Perhaps the Vong ship that was the size of a Super Star Destroyer had the petaton-range weapons.

About Vong weapons:

How the Hell does PLASMA of all things get through the shields of a warship?

How long can retain it's heat outside of a star anyways?

The main weapons on Vong ships are Plasma "balls" and big globs of molten rock/magma. Have the Vong done something to them to make them more effective weapons?

The Original Nex wrote:About Vong weapons:

How the Hell does PLASMA of all things get through the shields of a warship?

How long can retain it's heat outside of a star anyways?

The main weapons on Vong ships are Plasma "balls" and big globs of molten rock/magma. Have the Vong done something to them to make them more effective weapons?

Plasma starts at what, 10,000 degrees, but can technically be as high as the Vong can heat it for a maximum limit.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Vong use their dovin basals to propel the plasma as well (preventing it from splashing).

Plasma starts at what, 10,000 degrees, but can technically be as high as the Vong can heat it for a maximum limit.

I suppose, but SW shields should be able to handle that.

Hell, if the hull of an Acclamator can withstand nuclear warheads, the sields should have no problem dealing with plasma right?

The Original Nex wrote:

Plasma starts at what, 10,000 degrees, but can technically be as high as the Vong can heat it for a maximum limit.

I suppose, but SW shields should be able to handle that.

Hell, if the hull of an Acclamator can withstand nuclear warheads, the sields should have no problem dealing with plasma right?

It would depend on the density and the temperature. For all we know the plasma energy and density could be approaching the Point where it a Quark Gluons plasma, a condition approaching what the universe appear moment after the big bang with energy density far exceeding that of thermonuclear explosion.

The Original Nex wrote:

Plasma starts at what, 10,000 degrees, but can technically be as high as the Vong can heat it for a maximum limit.

I suppose, but SW shields should be able to handle that.

Hell, if the hull of an Acclamator can withstand nuclear warheads, the sields should have no problem dealing with plasma right?

I said, it can technically be as high as the Vong can heat it. There is *almost* no maximum limit.

If you have plasma hot enough it would make nuclear warheads look pitiful.

Some quick checking on google Fusion takes place at 10,000,000 Kelvin.
While the TFTR reached a temp of over 500,000,000 degrees.
http://www.pppl.gov/about_pppl/pages/tftr.html

Whats interesting is the rate at which the temperature drops. At 50m from a 10,000,000 kelvin source the temp is back down to 9000 - 11000kelvin.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/SimonFung.shtml
Also with in about 12 seconds after a nuclear explosion the temp drops to a low percentage of what it was.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/intro/nuke/thermal.htm

So the Vong must have someway of containing the heat of the plasma together intill it reaches the target. Since they don't use force fields or Mag fields how do they keep the plasma hot.

So given the power of their weapons how hot is the plasma.

Plasma in space. Where is it going to bleed heat to?

Murazor wrote:Vong High petaton weaponry! WTF? Weren't their warships roughly similar to the newer classes of SD? Because the figures that I have been hearing for ISDs suggest low teraton weaponry at best.

The 200 gigaton heavy guns on the Accamlators were the same size as a Star Destroyer's MTLs. The HTL guns on an ISD are considerably bigger. Considering the huge difference in firepower between LTL and MTL guns it is quite possible a HTL will have much higher yield.

Since the Vong can damage or destroy starships with shielding designed for HTL weapons they could have petaton weaponry.

StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:Plasma in space. Where is it going to bleed heat to?

THE PLASMA WILL RADIATE HEAT AWAY IN THE FORM OF RADIATIONS OF PHOTONS.

So if heat is radiated in space in the form of radiation how fast will the heat decrease.