Canon question

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-11-10 11:17pm

Are the RPGs (WEG and D20) considered canon as long as they do not conflict with the movies?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-10 11:19pm

WEG, I believe, is. Don't know about D20.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-10 11:34pm

The Dark wrote:Are the RPGs (WEG and D20) considered canon as long as they do not conflict with the movies?

Official. Which means they're treated as fact until disproven by canon.

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-10 11:48pm

What about specs given with model kits?

I've got a copy of the assembly instructions for the X-Wing (by ERTL) which lists two figures for proton torpedo yields. (250kT for firing two smaller pro torps out of the side launchers on the nose, and 500kT for a bigger one fired out of the tip of the nose.) I wasn't aware of a launcher in the tip of the nose though...

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-10 11:53pm

Tip of the nose? Who the fuck thought that up? That sure as hell ain't canon.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-10 11:56pm

Vertigo1 wrote:What about specs given with model kits?

I've got a copy of the assembly instructions for the X-Wing (by ERTL) which lists two figures for proton torpedo yields. (250kT for firing two smaller pro torps out of the side launchers on the nose, and 500kT for a bigger one fired out of the tip of the nose.) I wasn't aware of a launcher in the tip of the nose though...

Toys and models generally have no standing.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-11-11 01:50am

I'd have to ay that any figures derived from d20 are incredibly suspect, their capital ship to starfighter scaling makes me want to retch.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-11 07:26pm

Those values (I am guessing) are for the T-65JA3 X-Wing ("XJ3 X-Wing") from the NJO with triple torpedo launchers.

Those things are awesome. Stutter-fire-capable upgraded lasers with much improved firepower then the original model, dovin basal-proof shields, upgraded speed and manuverability (think E-wing speed and manuverability now), triple torpedo launcher tubes with torpedoes able to kill Yuuzhan Vong capital ships up to the frigate size without much trouble, and each torpedo is equipped with several minature self-propelled decoys that confuse the dovin basals. I believe each torp tube is fed by 6 torpedoes.

Now I just wish the NJO would show more of the XJ3's E-Wing counterpart, which has been occasionally mentioned but never profiled.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-11-11 07:34pm

No, he's refering to the old AMT/ERTL plastic model X-Wing kit.

As far as I know, the Models have no official status. And I know the toys don't.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-11-11 07:41pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, he's refering to the old AMT/ERTL plastic model X-Wing kit.

As far as I know, the Models have no official status. And I know the toys don't.

Unless you're Illuminatus Primus...

But yes, WEG typically has some interesting info. I'm typically feared because I use it to derive new firepower estimates.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-11-11 07:48pm

consequences wrote:I'd have to ay that any figures derived from d20 are incredibly suspect, their capital ship to starfighter scaling makes me want to retch.

True, which is why I'll only use it in areas that aren't covered in canon. Their ImpStar is also way undergunned, but it does confirm the 3 squadrons aboard an MC-80 and the 2 on a Neb-B (as if those needed confirming).

It also gives maximum atmospheric speed for starfighters, which was sorely needed in the D20 system (BTW, does anyone know if they just ripped the WEG numbers? They look similar to what I remember, but I don't have the WEG books any more).

TIE Fighter 1200km/h
X-Wing 1050km/h
Y-Wing 1000km/h
Z-95 1150km/h

Are those WEG numbers, or did WotC actually come up with something original for once?

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2002-11-11 08:52pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, he's refering to the old AMT/ERTL plastic model X-Wing kit.

As far as I know, the Models have no official status. And I know the toys don't.

Yeah, its the "ROTJ" version. I also have the old ISD MKI.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-11-11 09:45pm

SirNitram wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, he's refering to the old AMT/ERTL plastic model X-Wing kit.

As far as I know, the Models have no official status. And I know the toys don't.
Unless you're Illuminatus Primus...

But yes, WEG typically has some interesting info. I'm typically feared because I use it to derive new firepower estimates.

I didn't have any idea how old they were. I don't keep up with that kind of stuff. I was just making a guess.

consequences · Post by **consequences** » 2002-11-12 09:58am

What I mean, is that a couple of X-wings are a serious threat to an Impstar without fighter support. Capital ships are entirely to fragile under the d20 system.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2002-11-12 11:21am

consequences wrote:What I mean, is that a couple of X-wings are a serious threat to an Impstar without fighter support. Capital ships are entirely to fragile under the d20 system.

Not as much in the Revised rulebook. DR30 and 40 point defense guns will really screw over X-Wings in the new system. If every torpedo from 2 X-Wings hit and did maximum damage then the SD would (I think) be destroyed, which is definitely wrong, but that discounts the ability to angle shields to meet an attack and to recharge shields, as well as the point defense guns being able to shoot down torpedoes (and possibly the X-Wings). Still underpowered, but not as bad as 1st edition.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-11-12 03:04pm

SirNitram wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:No, he's refering to the old AMT/ERTL plastic model X-Wing kit.

As far as I know, the Models have no official status. And I know the toys don't.
Unless you're Illuminatus Primus...

But yes, WEG typically has some interesting info. I'm typically feared because I use it to derive new firepower estimates.

We need a stick with those yotton level ISD calculations.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-11-12 05:37pm

The Gameplay statistics are usually not official. The history is.

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