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I was playing Rogue Leader recently and it got me thinking. How did the Rebels get all the fancy toys they have? Even if the were given as gifts (legal or otherwise) there'd still be a lot of maintenance costs attached to a fleet of their size. Not to mention fuel.

So where did the credits come from?

Well, Alderaan was one major source, and the planet's offworld accounts would presumably still be used after its destruction if they weren't frozen. In an entire galaxy that's being brutally oppressed, you can expect a few trillion sympathizers out of the population to funnel money to the Alliance. Mon Calamari and Sullust were major backers, as were presumably the Bothans.

McNum wrote:I was playing Rogue Leader recently and it got me thinking. How did the Rebels get all the fancy toys they have? Even if the were given as gifts (legal or otherwise) there'd still be a lot of maintenance costs attached to a fleet of their size. Not to mention fuel.

So where did the credits come from?

In another forum somewhere, another person asked how the Clone Army was financed. I would imagine it was also made in a similar way; by people skimming off the top and hiding their tracks in the inventory logs or the account ledgers.

Other resources could come from criminals they might have recruited. Knowing people in low places is one way to win a rebellion.

I can't think of any more for now.

Shadows of the Empire shows that the Alderran venue was still open, albeit limited, in the form of Leia's personal slush fund. The mining world from Splinter of the Mind's Eye (too lazy to look up the name ) was also another backer, their inital credit donation going to pay for the ion cannon on Hoth.

The Empire was also responsible for many of their toys. Recall that during the early stages of the Galactic Civil War, the Rebels did harass Imperial shipping, but they tried to capture as many ships and supplies from these convoys as they could (ex. Nebulon B. Frigates) The Rebels got the best tech that the Empire could buy, albeit at their own expense. While they kept a good deal of that tech, it's also probable that they sold off what the didn't need to raise capital on the black market.

Circarpous IV was that world. It also appears in the original X-Wing game.

Rogue 9 wrote:Circarpous IV was that world. It also appears in the original X-Wing game.

Thanks.

Play TIE-Fighter some time. Half the missions, at least in the earlier parts of the game, involve thwarting the plans of Imperial officers to steal Imperial equipment and hand it over to the Rebellion.

A better idea at Hoth would have been to load the transports full of all those troops (they seemed to have thousands of them), fire the ion cannon at all the ISDs up there, and then fly the transports straight into the hangars of those ships. With that nifty monster ion cannon plus the number of troops they had, they should have been able to take the ships. Especially since the ships had sent their own garrison's down to attack the base. It's like something Thrawn-esqe. Enemy turns up, sends down soldiers to meet you, you disable their ships, fly up and take over their ships, then get them up and running again while the ship's own troops are stewing down on the planet. Pwned!

They could have had themselves a fleet of brand spanking new Star Destroyers. Fools!

Although I admit the presence of an Executor class dreadnought may have been the spanner to any such plan. It could probably take on the rest of Death Squadron single handedly. And the rebs sure as fuck ain't taking it over. (The ion cannon probably couldn't disable it even)

Come to think of it, why were there no large capital ships defending Hoth? Not even a single Moncal cruiser.

Jean Paul wrote:A better idea at Hoth would have been to load the transports full of all those troops (they seemed to have thousands of them), fire the ion cannon at all the ISDs up there,

Assuming the ion cannon has the energy to recharge its gun fast enough. It fired two (IIRC?) shots at just one Star Destroyer and didn't use it again. Nevermind that, the Star Destroyer's weren't all in the guns line of sight, since they were trying to blockade the planet; and to boot, the time it takes for the gun to turn move itself into a new position means that it wouldn't work even if they were in its LOS.

and then fly the transports straight into the hangars of those ships. With that nifty monster ion cannon plus the number of troops they had, they should have been able to take the ships. Especially since the ships had sent their own garrison's down to attack the base.

I don't suppose you have any numbers specifying how many troops were at Echo Base, do you?

On the other hand, we do know a single Star Destroyer boasts a crew 37,000 strong and a ground fighting force of 9,700 that could repel any attempted invasion. On top of all that even if the invasion were successful in the small time allotted before the Star Destroyer came back online, the captain could engage the self-destruct.

So, in other words, no, that's not a very good plan.

It's also not generally a good idea to enter into a long, drawn-out battle with a superior enemy. Best to get the hell out of Dodge before they get the chance to call in reenforcements.

Jean Paul wrote:Come to think of it, why were there no large capital ships defending Hoth? Not even a single Moncal cruiser.

The Rebellion didn't believe in putting all its eggs in one basket. The fleet was always kept seperate from the Headquarters to make sure that the Empire would not deliver a knockout blow with a single attack. They could afford to lose either one but not both.

Stravo wrote:

Jean Paul wrote:Come to think of it, why were there no large capital ships defending Hoth? Not even a single Moncal cruiser.

The Rebellion didn't believe in putting all its eggs in one basket. The fleet was always kept seperate from the Headquarters to make sure that the Empire would not deliver a knockout blow with a single attack. They could afford to lose either one but not both.

Endor was obviously a different scenario. There, the Rebel Alliance had a oppertunity that was once-in-a-lifetime, a chance to knock out the military and political aspects of the Empire in one-blow. They felt it was well worth the risk and, despite the fact that it was a trap, they completed their objective.

According to the old WEG RPG (though this and the whole formation of the Rebelion will be apparently contradicted by ROTS) when the 'Decleration of Rebellion' was published, a LOT of worlds openely supported the Rebels, despite their warnings not to do so. The Empire quickly sent in the fleet and stormtroopers and crushed them under full scale occupations.

BUT it was enough time for many of these worlds to transfer large amounts of funds, ships, weapons and mobile infastructure to get the Allience started.

Ah. Well that all makes sense. I just got curious as to how it was done. A few rich allies, a little black market trade, stealing from the Empire and stuff like that. That's pretty much what I had assumed, but it's good to get it comfirmed by people more into the Star Wars lore than myself.

Hoth's Echo Base - if I remember correctly - rated around a single battalion in SpecForce troops.

Endor's Echo Base?

In the ANH novelisation there were generals and senators from planets that supported the rebellion openly or secretly present at the debriefing ...
An early script for TESB wrote that thousands of worlds revolted against the empire following ANH.

Seriously, The Rebellion may get its money from where many revolutionsaries get it. They make their own. Look at the American Revolution. Almost the first act after creating the Army was authorizing the creation of Continentals, the currency of the Rebellion. Due to British counterfitting this soon becam worth nothing and they were forced to make use of hard currency like Gold, Silver, and Rum, ect.

Chris OFarrell wrote:According to the old WEG RPG (though this and the whole formation of the Rebelion will be apparently contradicted by ROTS) when the 'Decleration of Rebellion' was published, a LOT of worlds openely supported the Rebels, despite their warnings not to do so.

Not to mention those rich, corrupt senators & politicians whose personal interests being crushed under the might of His Majesty's New Order.

And talking about armaments, some computer games like TIE Fighter also mentioned renegade military top-brass like (former) Admiral Harkov who supplied the Rebels. For a price, of course.

Oh, and anyway.....

Long live Emperor Palpatine!

Didn´t they also made war-obligations?

Would explain, why they are always short on money during the post-ROTJ-era.

Isolder74 wrote:Endor's Echo Base?

It was a simple mistake.

Jean Paul wrote:A better idea at Hoth would have been to load the transports full of all those troops (they seemed to have thousands of them), fire the ion cannon at all the ISDs up there, and then fly the transports straight into the hangars of those ships. With that nifty monster ion cannon plus the number of troops they had, they should have been able to take the ships. Especially since the ships had sent their own garrison's down to attack the base.

yeah we all saw how hard rebel navy troopers own the stormtroopers in a boarding party.

Oh wait