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No-blood Jango
Posted: 2004-10-31 05:06am
by Jean Paul
When Jango was beheaded there should have been a spurting fountain of blood. There wasn't. Why? I mean the big thick neck arteries should be thick enough that the lightsaber cauterising effect wouldn't matter. There were times before when it didn't matter (arms chopped off etc.) and the arteries leading to the arms are a lot narrower than those in the neck.
Posted: 2004-10-31 05:18am
by Gandalf
I think this still falls under cauterised, like Darth Maul in TPM.
Posted: 2004-10-31 05:29am
by Pcm979
"Real' answer: Because AotC isn't Kill Bill.
In-universe answer: The arm incident in ANH was an exception to the rule, possibly because the species Obi chops up has high blood pressure or somesuch.
Posted: 2004-10-31 09:04am
by Kurgan
Gandalf wrote:I think this still falls under cauterised, like Darth Maul in TPM.
We did get a red mist from Maul being fatally sliced.
Maybe his suit is self-sealing?
Non-SOD: to keep the PG rating. There were a TON of saber deaths in AOTC, the most of any SW movie to date. So they probably worked to make them look as "clean" and be as quick-edited as possible.
Posted: 2004-10-31 09:25am
by Vympel
A ton? They were all against Geonosians- who are evil non-humanoid looking aliens so you can get away with it.
Re: No-blood Jango
Posted: 2004-10-31 10:56am
by Praxis
Jean Paul wrote:When Jango was beheaded there should have been a spurting fountain of blood. There wasn't. Why? I mean the big thick neck arteries should be thick enough that the lightsaber cauterising effect wouldn't matter. There were times before when it didn't matter (arms chopped off etc.) and the arteries leading to the arms are a lot narrower than those in the neck.
It's canon by the EU that lightsabers generally causterize what they hit. As they cut through they fry the flesh, closing off the blood circulation and preventing bleeding.
The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
In AOTC, Anakin's arm is causterized after being cut off. In TPM, we see steam from vaporized blood, but no liquid blood as he falls, so it must have been causterized as well. Luke's arm was causterized since we didn't see blood everywhere. etc, etc.
Posted: 2004-10-31 12:50pm
by The Original Nex
The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
Which could easily be explained by an unusual Aqualish physiology.
Posted: 2004-10-31 12:54pm
by Darth Wong
The Original Nex wrote:The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
Which could easily be explained by an unusual Aqualish physiology.
Indeed, if you look at the severed arm there is no cauterized flesh inside the cloth sleeve. It looks almost as if the stump exploded, spraying blood and evacuating much of the flesh around the contact area.
Posted: 2004-10-31 01:06pm
by The Original Nex
The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
Which could easily be explained by an unusual Aqualish physiology.
Posted: 2004-10-31 03:39pm
by The Cleric
The Aqualish arm looked rather hollow. That would be difficult to cauterize.
Posted: 2004-10-31 05:21pm
by Dillon
StormtrooperOfDeath wrote:The Aqualish arm looked rather hollow. That would be difficult to cauterize.
Almost as if it was simply a hollowed, rubber replica of an arm filled with blood or a blood like substance...
Posted: 2004-10-31 05:27pm
by Trytostaydead
Real Reason : Because Lucas figured he can get better marketing with a PG rating
SW Reason : Different physiology. Who knows, maybe the energy transfer in that split second was not enough to cauterize it. Probably different chemical makeup.
Posted: 2004-10-31 08:46pm
by Pcm979
The Original Nex wrote:The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
Which could easily be explained by an unusual Aqualish physiology.
Erm.. That's what I said.
Posted: 2004-10-31 09:47pm
by Kurgan
Vympel wrote:A ton? They were all against Geonosians- who are evil non-humanoid looking aliens so you can get away with it.
I'm not on any film ratings boards, but yeah, something like that. Animated fantasy violence (against people in suits or aliens) is somehow more acceptable than "humans" getting cut with makeup effects.
Did the "burning skeletons" really bump Star Wars from G to PG? I don't know, but some people believe that.
Yeah, the bloody arm is an anomaly. So is Luke's 0wnx0r1ng the skiff guards in ROTJ (and not having them be cut to pieces).
Then again, Dooku does a couple of "flesh wounds" on Obi-Wan (on purpose apparently). So maybe Luke is a moral literalist (well, I'm still a Light Jedi, technically the Sarlacc killed them, not my lightsaber!), or just a touch sadistic. ; )
Re: No-blood Jango
Posted: 2004-10-31 09:53pm
by Kurgan
Praxis wrote:Jean Paul wrote:When Jango was beheaded there should have been a spurting fountain of blood. There wasn't. Why? I mean the big thick neck arteries should be thick enough that the lightsaber cauterising effect wouldn't matter. There were times before when it didn't matter (arms chopped off etc.) and the arteries leading to the arms are a lot narrower than those in the neck.
It's canon by the EU that lightsabers generally causterize what they hit. As they cut through they fry the flesh, closing off the blood circulation and preventing bleeding.
Some of the comic books show blood sprays from saber hits (I'm thinking of Heir to the Empire graphic novel in particular).
Posted: 2004-10-31 10:02pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Kurgan wrote:Did the "burning skeletons" really bump Star Wars from G to PG? I don't know, but some people believe that.
Not exactly so A to B. The production featured the burning bodies to
HELP guarentee a PG rating rather than a G. It wasn't the sole factor or was directly responsible for the final MPAA rating of the film.
Keep in mind it was way back in 1977, where the ratings guidlines and standards were a little different than they are today. G used to cover a slightly broader spectrum, and PG's spectrum was huge.
Posted: 2004-11-01 08:29am
by Kurgan
That's true, we didn't have PG-13 yet.
Posted: 2004-11-01 03:02pm
by Darth Maul
If a lightsaber can melt through a blast door, I'm sure it would have no problem cauterizing the jugular artery.
Posted: 2004-11-01 04:17pm
by The Original Nex
Pcm979 wrote:The Original Nex wrote:The arm in ANH is the exception to the rule.
Which could easily be explained by an unusual Aqualish physiology.
Erm.. That's what I said.
Apologies. Well, I've confirmed it then.
Posted: 2004-11-01 05:52pm
by NecronLord
Well. If your arm speed is fast enough, you might be able to chop a limb off without transferring enough energy to cauterise. In which case, it'd make sense for elderly obi-wan to do so, but unusual aqualish physiology is my best bet, lacking calcs.
Posted: 2004-11-01 06:05pm
by Slartibartfast
Jango is obviously alive and well, he had time to snuck his head into his suit, like all those Scooby Doo cartoons I've watched.
Posted: 2004-11-01 06:40pm
by Praxis
NecronLord wrote:Well. If your arm speed is fast enough, you might be able to chop a limb off without transferring enough energy to cauterise. In which case, it'd make sense for elderly obi-wan to do so, but unusual aqualish physiology is my best bet, lacking calcs.
For the first one, that would mean that old man Obi swings his saber faster than Mace Windu chopping off Jango's head.
Posted: 2004-11-02 01:28pm
by Bob the Gunslinger
So, what's the deal with the Tauntaun? Shouldn't the gouge Han cut have been cauterized as he cut it? Instead, all these little dumpling-like organs plopped out. So, why didn't Maul's organs plop out when he was sliced? Unusual Aqualish physiology?
Obiwan: And I thought he smelled bad on the outside.
Posted: 2004-11-02 01:31pm
by Kurgan
Good point.
This just goes to further prove my crackpot theory that lightsabers have variable settings! *joking*
Posted: 2004-11-02 03:24pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
Bob the Gunslinger wrote:So, what's the deal with the Tauntaun? Shouldn't the gouge Han cut have been cauterized as he cut it? Instead, all these little dumpling-like organs plopped out. So, why didn't Maul's organs plop out when he was sliced? Unusual Aqualish physiology?
Obiwan: And I thought he smelled bad on the outside.
Because there's a difference between cutting something open and cutting something in half.