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One of my very old theories about midichlorians and why Lucas introduced them has always been that the Sith had found a way to "kill" them in all Jedi, and that's how Palpatine won.

If midichlorians mean that the higher count you have, the more Force power you have (think of say, Han Solo's M-cound is 5, so he's not a Force user.) let's assume Palpatine has infected the Jedi Order with something that blocks or kills off midichlorians. Perhaps this is why the Jedi were taken out so easily, and Obi-Wan and Yoda were powerless to stop the Emperor for 20 years. They had to wait for a Force user like Luke to be born after this plague.

Note in TPM, Anakin has a higer M-count than even Yoda. So for instance, this plague (which begin in AOTC, as the Jedi are being slowly "blocked" from the Force) Anakin goes from a M-count of 100 to 70. Yoda goes from a M-count of 70 to 40, and Obi wan from an M-count of 50 to 20.

Make sense?

It would make sense with the whole "Shroud of the dark side" thing that's reducing the jedi's power.


Personally, I don't want to see anymore of them. It was a mistake, let's just try to forget about it.

Darksider wrote:It would make sense with the whole "Shroud of the dark side" thing that's reducing the jedi's power.


Personally, I don't want to see anymore of them. It was a mistake, let's just try to forget about it.

What was the mistake? I thought it was a good idea to explain the Force.

Yoda explained it just fine, IMO.

Luminous beings we are, not this crude matter... composed of midichlorians and shit.

Darksider wrote:It would make sense with the whole "Shroud of the dark side" thing that's reducing the jedi's power.


Personally, I don't want to see anymore of them. It was a mistake, let's just try to forget about it.

I always assumed that it was simply Palpatine using the Force to cloak his Force presence and since it masked him, the Jedi had no idea of where it was going to. I've got another theory on this as well as Jedi breeding that will surface at some point in the second act of my fanfic.

Midichlorians were a shit idea, and I pray every day that they simply go away.

Seconded. There were a lot of other things he could have done to hit us over the head with Anakin being 'the one'.

Since midichlorians have already become canon, I don't like the idea of everything that has to do with the Force throughout the entire Star Wars saga (even into the EU) has somethign to do with midichlorians. Lucas should have done something to nix that at the end of TPM or in AOTC.

I have been hoping that the midichlorians were a red herring, thusly: We've known at the start of TPM that the Jedi Order seemed to have found a link between midichlorian count and how strong someone is in the Force. So, throughout the years they've observed and concluded that mid count proportional in Force sensitivity.

Then, sometime during the prequel trilogy Sidious would try to wipe out the Jedi using bioweapons that would kill midichlorians, and of course the Sith would have been immunized earlier.

He executes the plan, many Jedi not just lose their Force sensitivity but becomes mortally ill, until somewhere at a dramatic juncture of the story, Anakin and / or Obi-Wan regain their powers without having any midichlorians in them, disproving the theory. (Perhaps midichlorians are only byproducts of being Force sensitive.)

This would also explain why Yoda didn't say a word about midichlorians to Luke on Dagobah.

Of course, this has been on my wish list since 1999, and it doesn't look like we'll be seeing this happening in ROTS.

Old Plympto wrote:Of course, this has been on my wish list since 1999, and it doesn't look like we'll be seeing this happening in ROTS.

I still doesnt understand this dislike of midichlorians. Why?

I dont know about others, but personally:

1) it turned what seemed to be an unquantifiable mystical energy field into a quantifiable biological function.

2) Pissed on both Obi-Wan and Yoda's onscreen remark of what the Force is. (Yes you can say it adds to it without detracting it, but if it was something of the importance shown in TPM then Luke should have been told that earlier on by his teachers.)

Old Plympto wrote:I dont know about others, but personally:

1) it turned what seemed to be an unquantifiable mystical energy field into a quantifiable biological function.

Honestly, the "scientification" of the Force has been going on for a long time. It has been "quantifiable" since at least DE's Universal Energy Cages, which supposedly matches the field strength with the Jedi's Force efforts in order to "jam" them. To do so implies at least a primitive ability to use scientific machines to detect and quantify the force.

And I don't see why it is so unwelcome. A beautiful thing doesn't get less beautiful just because some science was added to it.

Hopefully not. The little 'check blood to see if you are a Jedi' reminds me too much of pregnancy tests.

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote:And I don't see why it is so unwelcome. A beautiful thing doesn't get less beautiful just because some science was added to it.

I see GL's introduction of midichlorians to the idea of the Force as being like if Tolkien had just suddenly revealed at the end of RoTK that Gandalf was actually an alien, Sauron was an AI computer gone wrong and the Balrog was a cyborg or something.

Old Plympto wrote:1) it turned what seemed to be an unquantifiable mystical energy field into a quantifiable biological function.

That's where everybody gets it wrong. Midichlorians have noting to do with the Force itself. It doesn't generate the Force, or is the cause of its existence. Midichlorians allow you to ACCESS the Force. If you have a high enough M-count, the more Force you can access.

Again, Han Solo has a "normal" M-count for a non-Force user.

Lord Poe wrote:That's where everybody gets it wrong. Midichlorians have noting to do with the Force itself. It doesn't generate the Force, or is the cause of its existence. Midichlorians allow you to ACCESS the Force. If you have a high enough M-count, the more Force you can access.

Again, Han Solo has a "normal" M-count for a non-Force user.

If that be the case, then I concede. But it would still be cool to have Palpatine think killing off midichlorians would cut off a Jedi's access to the force and have Anakin or someone prove that wrong, which would account for Yoda saying a thing about midichlorians to Luke in ESB.

Old Plympto wrote:If that be the case, then I concede. But it would still be cool to have Palpatine think killing off midichlorians would cut off a Jedi's access to the force and have Anakin or someone prove that wrong, which would account for Yoda saying a thing about midichlorians to Luke in ESB.

Well, there was nothing really to say in TESB. "The Force is strong in your family." That neither confirms or denies Midichlorians. The Force is strong in the Skywalker family due to their high M counts!

Also, maybe its an aspect of the Force Yoda and Oi-Wan don't like. In the TPM novelization, Obi Wan talks about Qui-Gon's belief in the "living Force", over the "status quo" version of the Force, IIRC.

That doesn't float. If the Midichlorian test wasn't mainstream then why did Obi and the Jedi Council take it as proof of Ani's prophetic status? Why would Yoda's Midichlorian count be known to a mere Padawan (Obi) if it was viewed as poppycock?

Way too many people misinterpret what Midichlorians actually are, and that has to be a bigger annoyance for me than Midichlorians themselves, which I don't actually have a problem with whatsoever.

Sometimes people are just fucking stupid...

midichlorians ---> life ---> The Force

"Without the midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us, telling us the will of the Force"

"Life creates it, makes it grow..."

Did the Force exist before life began? Or was it first made when life was first made?

The midis are a microscopic lifeform, so the whole thing might have started with them. As time went on and life became more complex, you get a significant increase in the Force. But did it exist before life....?

VT-16 wrote:Did the Force exist before life began? Or was it first made when life was first made?

Quite a paradox, indeed -- and yet another little subplot of my crossover that's going to make things interesting by the time the second Act ends.

JME2 wrote:Quite a paradox, indeed -- and yet another little subplot of my crossover that's going to make things interesting by the time the second Act ends.

VT-16 wrote:

JME2 wrote:Quite a paradox, indeed -- and yet another little subplot of my crossover that's going to make things interesting by the time the second Act ends.

Well, after all, my story features the the ongoing mystery of why the Yuuzhan Vong and Milky Way inhabitants do not possess midi-chlorians, buy why the latter can still be felt through the Force (I do indeed have an explanation for why this is, but as to what it is, I'm not telling -- at least not yet; the Luke/Bajor subplot will build towards that and once the revelations are made...well, I'm going to love seeing people's reactions. )

Edit -- But I digress. Such things will be kept to the fanfic's message thread.

Lord Poe wrote:One of my very old theories about midichlorians and why Lucas introduced them has always been that the Sith had found a way to "kill" them in all Jedi, and that's how Palpatine won.

God I hope not. That would be so lame...

The Jedi should die violently

Droids and other artificial life forms and inanimate objects can be felt and manipulated with the force, yet they don't contain "blood" that could contain midichlorians.

Is all life in Star Wars carbon based? Do non carbon based lifeforms contain the same iron-based blood and cells that could house midichlorians?

So many unanswered questions...