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Origin of the name 'Vader'

Posted: 2004-11-26 09:21pm
by SCVN 2812
With the introduction of three new Darths with the prequels, each of which has an ominous sounding name (Darth Maul, Sidious, Tyrannus) the question popped into my head about the significance of Darth Vader's name. I suppose it could be missing a sylable like Sidious (InSidious?) though (In)Vader somehow doesn't seem fitting.

Posted: 2004-11-26 09:24pm
by Trekdestroyer
Vader comes from the German word for 'father' which is a different spelling.

Posted: 2004-11-26 09:37pm
by Winston Blake
But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.

Personally I think Vader's sounding like 'Invader' is fitting enough for the Darth X continuity.

Posted: 2004-11-26 09:48pm
by wautd
Winston Blake wrote:But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.
yep

("Luke, I am your father" never came as a suprise if you speak dutch :()

Posted: 2004-11-26 11:32pm
by Drooling Iguana
Except that in the original screenplay, Vader was significantly younger than Luke Skywalker (who's role was similar to Obi-Wan's role in the finished movie.) The character who would eventually evolve into Luke was Anakin Starkiller, and his father, Kane, was still alive at the beginning of the script (although he died halfway through.)

It's fairly obvious from the original screenplays that Vader was not originally supposed to have any relation with the hero. The one thing I'm not sure about is, did Lucas decide to make Vader Luke's father before ANH was filmed (but after writing the first and second drafts, both of which featured the hero's father in a speaking role,) or was it just a retcon that he inserted into the sequel?

Re: Origin of the name 'Vader'

Posted: 2004-11-27 03:38pm
by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman
SCVN 2812 wrote:I suppose it could be missing a sylable like Sidious (InSidious?) though (In)Vader somehow doesn't seem fitting.
Actually, nothing will be more fitting. Darth Vader -=> Dark Invader. Or haven't you noticed that his helmet has the shape similar to the tip of a penis? :P

Posted: 2004-11-27 04:11pm
by Praxis
wautd wrote:
Winston Blake wrote:But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.
yep

("Luke, I am your father" never came as a suprise if you speak dutch :()
Bah, I was going to say that Vader = Father in dutch! :p

I can imagine how silly it sounded in dutch. "I am your Vader!" "Uh, no, that's your name."

Posted: 2004-11-27 06:31pm
by Tribun
Well, in the dutch version of Star Wars, Vader's name is "Dark Vador".. Obviously they did that to prevent confusion in ANH, and to later prevent spoilers in TESB.

Posted: 2004-11-27 06:36pm
by Captain Cyran
A little off-topic...


Personally, I think that originally Darth was meant to be his name. Obi-Wan says "A young jedi named Darth Vader." And he's constantly refered to as Lord Vader which would make one think that Darth was not meant to be a title originally. Though now it is.

Posted: 2004-11-27 08:41pm
by Mark S
Perhaps all Sith take the first name of Darth as an honour thing?

Posted: 2004-11-27 08:51pm
by Pcm979
The (In)Sidious and (In)Vader thing has led me to hypothesise a number of titles for other Sith.

Darth Disputable
Darth Clement
Darth Consequential
Darth Distinguishable
Darth Operable

Posted: 2004-11-27 09:23pm
by Elfdart
Pcm979 wrote:The (In)Sidious and (In)Vader thing has led me to hypothesise a number of titles for other Sith.

Darth Disputable
Darth Clement
Darth Consequential
Darth Distinguishable
Darth Operable
How about "Dart Cestuous"?

Over a theforce.net someone found an old copy of Lucas' high school yearbook and a burly-looking jock-type guy in it was named Gary Vader. Did this guy beat up GL or something?

Posted: 2004-11-27 09:31pm
by Illuminatus Primus
Serious?

Posted: 2004-11-27 10:58pm
by White Haven
Darth Tel...that would sooo explain where the guy's cybernetics came from. And why Luke wins with his cybernetics...the Rebels buy AMD, which we all know has superior gaming performance. :lol:

Posted: 2004-11-27 11:58pm
by Winston Blake
Pcm979 wrote:The (In)Sidious and (In)Vader thing has led me to hypothesise a number of titles for other Sith.

Darth Disputable
Darth Clement
Darth Consequential
Darth Distinguishable
Darth Operable
Except that names like Clement (Inclined to be lenient or merciful.
Mild: 'clement weather') and Disputable have an 'In' on the front to negativise them. It would be like calling yourself Darth Destructible, Darth Vincible or Darth Defatigable.

Posted: 2004-11-28 12:22am
by Pcm979
I know. Fun, isn't it? :lol:

Posted: 2004-11-28 11:40am
by Elfdart
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Serious?
Yep. Gary Vader looked like a young Mike Golic.

Posted: 2004-11-28 11:49am
by White Haven
Hmm...if a Sith master got to name his apprentice, naming him/her Darth Significant could be a nice ego-boost :)

Posted: 2004-11-28 01:51pm
by Barbatis
Hmm, scary being named by an old wrinkly man that wants to take over the galaxcy.

Vader was most likly a random name that lucas though of. It coming from his past isnt to surprising though.

Posted: 2004-11-28 05:28pm
by Praxis
How about:
Darth Defeatable
Darth Genius
Darth Credible
? ;)

Posted: 2004-11-28 05:38pm
by DPDarkPrimus
Best Darth ever:

Darth Potent

Yes, I know it doesn't work. It's a pun.

Posted: 2004-11-28 05:53pm
by Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi
Praxis wrote:How about:
Darth Defeatable
Darth Genius
Darth Credible
? ;)
"Darth Bred". Instead of the Imperial March, you'd have "Dueling Banjos".

Posted: 2004-11-28 11:27pm
by Kurgan
Darth Fidelity
Darth Comprehensible
Darth Flammable
Darth Continence ; )


Darth Stigator?
Darth Terruptus?
Darth Dividual? :lol:

Posted: 2004-11-29 01:04am
by Sarevok
wautd wrote:
Winston Blake wrote:But it is spelt correctly as Dutch for 'father'.
yep

("Luke, I am your father" never came as a suprise if you speak dutch :()
Wow your dad is called Vader.... :)

Posted: 2004-11-29 04:27am
by Petrosjko
Damn it, Kurgan beat me to my version, Darth Continent.

I'm surprised nobody's done Darth Flexible, though.

Edit- and the other ones off the top of my head...

Darth Comparable
Darth Sult
Darth Bound
Darth Coming
Darth Side
Darth Timate