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I think that return of the Jedi is the worst Star Wars movie and the main thing that bugged me was the Ewoks and the Endor battle
I think it should have been better
Here is my ending idea
the main battle hapens onboard the Death Star, it was just completed before the battle and Wookies were still onboard because they were building it. The strike team attacks the prison and frees all of the Wookies and gets them to revolt against the Empire. Instead of just disabling the sheild they sabatage the superlaser so that it explodes and creates a big hole in the Death Star and the Rebel fleet attacks and begins destroying the Death Star

where does the luke conflict happen again?

I was annoyed when GL replaced that cool Ewok song with that new crap.

And I don't like this ending any better.

Wookiees Singing: 'Nuff Said. ; )

I don't like your ending. But whatever.

For one, why would the Emperor use Wookies to construct the jewel of the galaxy, a symbol of dominion over all?

Because they're Wookiees and Wookiees kick arse?

I liked the Ewoks. They're cute but they're savage. They're little and underestimated but they end up being of help. It's a good book/cover thing. They always get too much of a bad rap from people. And I agree, the 'Yub Nub' song was way better..

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I don't like your ending. But whatever.

For one, why would the Emperor use Wookies to construct the jewel of the galaxy, a symbol of dominion over all?

Actually, in the AOTC DVD commentary Lucas implies that the Death Star was constructed by the Geonosians. It was along the lines of, 'You don't have to feel sorry for the construction crews that were aboard when it was destroyed (a reference to the movie 'Clerks') because it turns out they were just big termites.'

That makes no sense anyway; why would a starship keep all the labor gangs aboard?

Mark S wrote:I liked the Ewoks. They're cute but they're savage. They're little and underestimated but they end up being of help. It's a good book/cover thing. They always get too much of a bad rap from people. And I agree, the 'Yub Nub' song was way better..

So do I, actually. I don't think ROTJ is the worst movie, TPM holds that dubious distinction unfortunately. I think if you're gonna improve ROTJ, you don't have to do much - show the Rebel SpecOps commandos actually DOING something; show more of the space battle, just because; and instead of having Ewoks with bows and arrows, see them take blasters off of dead stormtroopers and use them (we saw this at least once in ROTJ, but it was just a brief shot of an Ewok with a blaster).

There, problem solved. Quick, simple additions. No need to drastically redo the plot.

The Genosian thing dosent fly remeber Jerajod said that he needed more men not bugs, or slaves.

A smoother transition between "Escape from Jabba" and the rest of the movie would also be nice, as well as having Vader actually be knocked down before getting his hand chopped off, instead of just deciding to sit down in the middle of a lightsabre duel for some reason.

Oh, and Leia not being Luke's sister, that was just dumb. I would also have preferred it if Obi-Wan had fessed up to the fact that he lied to Luke, rather than give that "certain point of view" speech.

Drooling Iguana wrote:A smoother transition between "Escape from Jabba" and the rest of the movie would also be nice, as well as having Vader actually be knocked down before getting his hand chopped off, instead of just deciding to sit down in the middle of a lightsabre duel for some reason.

Oh, and Leia not being Luke's sister, that was just dumb. I would also have preferred it if Obi-Wan had fessed up to the fact that he lied to Luke, rather than give that "certain point of view" speech.

Meh, on the certain point of view, this aspect of the movies goes for an Authurian bent. You can't know your the boy king until its time to be the boy king. Purity, who then is tempted, as it was.

One of the things Kenobi had to protect Luke from, was Luke. Fill his head with visions of Glory, Adventure, a Jedi craves not these things. Get it into his head that he's the last Jedi and the shiznit, then you'll have all sorts of problems.

Besides, how do you sit down with a teen and explain he's the heir to all that is wrong in the galaxy. The sins of his father are responsible for the misery of trillions and the only way you can solve this, is to help hunt down and kill our long lost father.

'A certain point of view' seems alot better now.

Drooling Iguana wrote:Oh, and Leia not being Luke's sister, that was just dumb.

It was dumb the way they did it. Tacked on and insincere. It could have worked if it was from day one, and if Leia had some kind of affinity to the Force.

I would also have preferred it if Obi-Wan had fessed up to the fact that he lied to Luke, rather than give that "certain point of view" speech.

That was one of the best lines in ROTJ. "Luke you're gonna find out that many of the truths we cling to depend on a certain point of view." A good lesson to learn.

Stofsk wrote: It was dumb the way they did it. Tacked on and insincere. It could have worked if it was from day one, and if Leia had some kind of affinity to the Force.

She did. Her resistance to the mind probe was considerable in ANH, and she heard Luke's call through the force in TESB.

That was one of the best lines in ROTJ. "Luke you're gonna find out that many of the truths we cling to depend on a certain point of view." A good lesson to learn.

I thought he was just a liar giving a lame excuse, personally.

I thought he was just a liar giving a lame excuse, personally.

Really? I found it one of the more enduring qualities. A mystical/philosiphical thing.

Admiral Drason wrote:The Genosian thing dosent fly remeber Jerajod said that he needed more men not bugs, or slaves.

Maybe he needed more human slavedrivers to manage and subjugate the Geonosians?

Winston Blake wrote:

Admiral Drason wrote:The Genosian thing dosent fly remeber Jerajod said that he needed more men not bugs, or slaves.

Maybe he needed more human slavedrivers to manage and subjugate the Geonosians?

Or more doppy humans to follow the directions of the species who designed the damn thing.

Geonosian "Click, click. Clank, clickity click!"

CP896 O "Sir, his most graceous, Grand Designer Clang Clang instructs me to tell you and your work group to make sure that you twist those quantum bolts to the proper torque.

He further says that he wishes he had more of you dumb humans to turn these bolts faster, and thereby finishing this section quicker so he can concentrate on the weapons platforms."

Vympel wrote:

Stofsk wrote:It was dumb the way they did it. Tacked on and insincere. It could have worked if it was from day one, and if Leia had some kind of affinity to the Force.

She did. Her resistance to the mind probe was considerable in ANH, and she heard Luke's call through the force in TESB.

Ok, I really just wanted to see her wield a lightsabre.

That was one of the best lines in ROTJ. "Luke you're gonna find out that many of the truths we cling to depend on a certain point of view." A good lesson to learn.

I thought he was just a liar giving a lame excuse, personally.

Like Knife, I think it was a philosophical take on the matter. Besides, it's not like Vader was a nice guy anyway. He did lie, but it's not so black/white a situation as "OMG, Obi-wan is a liar! That sumbitch!"

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:I don't like your ending. But whatever.

For one, why would the Emperor use Wookies to construct the jewel of the galaxy, a symbol of dominion over all?

I thought that Wookies and other races (basicly, any strong nonhuman race that could be used for expendable builders) were use as slave workers on the first Death Star, not second? (Then executed afterwards, IIRC)

For the record, the Ewok song SUCKED. Its supposed to be a serious movie, not a fucking Kiddy movie! The song was so suggery and kiddy that I cringe everytime I hear it.

Chris OFarrell wrote:For the record, the Ewok song SUCKED. Its supposed to be a serious movie, not a fucking Kiddy movie! The song was so suggery and kiddy that I cringe everytime I hear it.

Which one, Yub Yub or the new one? I vacillate between Yub Yub and the other one.

Vympel wrote:

Chris OFarrell wrote:For the record, the Ewok song SUCKED. Its supposed to be a serious movie, not a fucking Kiddy movie! The song was so suggery and kiddy that I cringe everytime I hear it.

Which one, Yub Yub or the new one? I vacillate between Yub Yub and the other one.

Yub Yub. Its classic in that its an oldschool SW track, but its so horribly out of synch with the rest of the stuff AND the glorious ending that I can't help but cringe...

Vympel wrote:

Stofsk wrote: It was dumb the way they did it. Tacked on and insincere. It could have worked if it was from day one, and if Leia had some kind of affinity to the Force.

She did. Her resistance to the mind probe was considerable in ANH, and she heard Luke's call through the force in TESB.

And if she hadn't have been Luke's sister, who would have filled the "There another" role

2000AD wrote:
And if she hadn't have been Luke's sister, who would have filled the "There another" role

Damn, good point. A lot of people give Lucas shit for making stuff up as he goes while saying he had a grand plan, but Leia being Luke's sister probably isn't one of them. I just think he wanted that kiss to be damn creepy. DUDE, YOU JUST KISSED YOUR SISTER!