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Why are the clones superior to droids, what can they do (or do better) that droids can't? Doesn't a machine have targeting systems which a clone does not, so they pretty much never miss?

The Trad Federation go for light Weak driods mostly, Look at how the "Super Battle Driods" did compared to the others, they scored most of the Kills as they where stronger heavly armored and more accurate, they where the Equvilant of the Clone-Troopers and held thier own

Meanwhile the pansy ass regular battle droids had thier rears handed to them agian and agian and agian


Think of how diffrently the Gungan Battle would have gone if those had been "Super"(In my mind they should be NORMAL) Battle droids had been there

Well, look at Episode I; the Jedi cut through them like butter, and even the Gungans don't have a great deal of difficulty with them. I suppose there are many advantages; the espirit de corps (sorry if I spelled that wrong) that the Clones surely have due to growing up together probably could not be duplicated in droids, the Clones appear to be quite a bit smarter, more capable warriors than the droids, there are many reasons, I suppose.

Basically faster, more fluid motion and agility, plus the ability to think for them selves and some tactical innovation, plus the remote controlled drois lack the processors to learn as they go, which the clones can't.

Note that this is not strictly true though, the AOTC novel says that Super battle droids were superior in a one on one basis, and the presence of shields on upgraded droidekas would mean it would take groups of clones to destroy a lone droideka, and a group of clones would be only marginally better then a group of unshielded droidekas.

Yes I forgot the Droidka

The problem is all the Federations driods save the "Supers" had the look of cheap knockoffs for lack of a better descirption

Well, look at Episode I; the Jedi cut through them like butter,,

But Obi wan and Qui-Gon weren't able to destroy the destroyer droids when they were trying to cut through the door to get to the viceroy, if telekinesis could have taken them out, then why didn't they do it? Could thier shields have interfered with thier force powers? I've heard the force can't be detected by science, but what about this Universal Energy Cage Mike mentions on his AOTC cage, that can nullify force powers.

One theory: droid intelligence is deliberately limited because of anti-droid sentiment and fear.

There is lots of evidence for anti-droid sentiment. "We don't serve their kind here" from ANH, and "No droids" from the server on the refugee ship in AOTC, and of course, "if droids could think, there'd be none of us left" from Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Super battledroids and droidekas may actually have superior tactical capabilities on paper, but their programming and intelligence may both be limited for reasons which are not explicitly stated on film. They certainly did not seem to exhibit signs of significant intelligence. The droid-head on C3PO's body didn't even seem to realize that he was not occupying a standard battle-droid body.

Mr Bean wrote:The Trad Federation go for light Weak driods mostly, Look at how the "Super Battle Driods" did compared to the others, they scored most of the Kills as they where stronger heavly armored and more accurate, they where the Equvilant of the Clone-Troopers and held thier own

Meanwhile the pansy ass regular battle droids had thier rears handed to them agian and agian and agian


Think of how diffrently the Gungan Battle would have gone if those had been "Super"(In my mind they should be NORMAL) Battle droids had been there

Yeah the "Super" droids were from the other group, the Mechanist Guild or something like that, right? They joined forces.

I thought it was the Techno Union.

Darth Wong wrote:One theory: droid intelligence is deliberately limited because of anti-droid sentiment and fear.

There is lots of evidence for anti-droid sentiment. "We don't serve their kind here" from ANH, and "No droids" from the server on the refugee ship in AOTC, and of course, "if droids could think, there'd be none of us left" from Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Super battledroids and droidekas may actually have superior tactical capabilities on paper, but their programming and intelligence may both be limited for reasons which are not explicitly stated on film. They certainly did not seem to exhibit signs of significant intelligence. The droid-head on C3PO's body didn't even seem to realize that he was not occupying a standard battle-droid body.

I like that explanation. Obi-Wan's quote actually suggests that they had this problem before. Maybe at one point the galaxy tried making droids that were sentient and whatnot, and that they outperformed natural life itself, so they scrapped the idea of creating better "life forms" than themselves.

There appears to be considerable evidence to point to the conclusion that the droid inability to think creatively, assessing tactical situations and altering movements to take advantage of circumstance, is actually a serious handicap in many things, including combat.

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:

Darth Wong wrote:One theory: droid intelligence is deliberately limited because of anti-droid sentiment and fear.

There is lots of evidence for anti-droid sentiment. "We don't serve their kind here" from ANH, and "No droids" from the server on the refugee ship in AOTC, and of course, "if droids could think, there'd be none of us left" from Obi-Wan in AOTC.

Super battledroids and droidekas may actually have superior tactical capabilities on paper, but their programming and intelligence may both be limited for reasons which are not explicitly stated on film. They certainly did not seem to exhibit signs of significant intelligence. The droid-head on C3PO's body didn't even seem to realize that he was not occupying a standard battle-droid body.

I like that explanation. Obi-Wan's quote actually suggests that they had this problem before. Maybe at one point the galaxy tried making droids that were sentient and whatnot, and that they outperformed natural life itself, so they scrapped the idea of creating better "life forms" than themselves.

Another thing to lend credence to this is the fact that R2 and Threepio are both nervous about being mind-wiped the whole time they exist. A technician in one of the books comments about how non-wiped droids become "independent", suggesting that removing that independent streak is a large component of why droids are wiped periodically. Of course, this isn't canon, but it does sound like an idea to explore further.

IG-88E wrote:I thought it was the Techno Union.

Yeah that's what I meant. Some people mix them up with the Federation's.

There are sentient droids though, Artoo and C3PO, plus other noncombat droids are sentient too, IIRC the Construction droids that rebuilt coruscant where sentient.

It seems droids, like curent computers, can in fact exceed Human capabilities by a very large margin in a focussed field, like information retrieval, translation, technological analysis.

It may be that combat has so many important subfields and actiosn to be learned that Humans and aliens do better than droids.

There is not enough evidence to support the conclusion that driods are deliberately kept inferior.

what about this Jedi Droid, Skippy?(i dont know if he's cannon) is a force using droid even possible?

Smiling Bandit wrote:There is not enough evidence to support the conclusion that driods are deliberately kept inferior.

Official evidence clearly speaks of sentient droids and how Droid Dekas for example where slaved into the central control computers because the Neimodians where afraid of them in their original specs, kinda smart and all, no fun if it goes crazy.

Also another source, who's name eludes me at the moment, spoke of very intelligent assasin droids, and how dangerous it is when too intelligent droids go awry, like the one that IIRC killed a whole stadium of people to get to one guy.

Yeah it is funny that the TF slaved every Droid, puts the point that droid limits and the quotes show a certain hate/fear of droids gaining too much sentience.

Plus the mind wipes and the last but not least fear of the Assassin droids...

The reason no real limits are put onto clones on that level(I doubt there is a kill switch for all the clones...maybe but I doubt it) is that clones for all their superiority cannot exceed human limitations...the droid can.

Lex wrote:what about this Jedi Droid, Skippy?(i dont know if he's cannon) is a force using droid even possible?

It was a noncanon spoof, but amusing.

IG-88

IRG CommandoJoe wrote:I like that explanation. Obi-Wan's quote actually suggests that they had this problem before. Maybe at one point the galaxy tried making droids that were sentient and whatnot, and that they outperformed natural life itself, so they scrapped the idea of creating better "life forms" than themselves.

They did have the problem before, Master Arca ws involved in putting down something called the "Coruscant Droid Rebellion" some time in his career.

I think we can easily blame it on bad droid design. If I were to design the battledroids, they should have looked more like small spiders armed with blaster turrets. They would be able to access all sorts of hard terrain, hard to hit because of their small size and they can be deployed en masse from helicopter-like vessels.

NecronLord wrote:IG-88

Wasn't there a droid bountyhunter in the EU?

Gorm the Dissolver, a cyborg.