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Seas/Mountain ranges on Coruscant

Posted: 2004-12-26 10:31pm
by Stofsk
I believe it was the BFC by Micheal Kube-McDowell that presented us with a picture of Coruscant that included a sea and/or mountain range. I believe that many people thought he was nuts for doing so, given that TPM and AOTC seems to suggest the entire surface of the planet is covered in cityscape.

However, what if as a kind of 'urban planning' project, some part of Coruscant was allocated towards artificial sea and mountain range, for no other reason than 1) because they can and 2) it would look nice.

The only reason I bring this up is because there was one bit in AOTC which kinda 'looked' like a smallish sea was on Coruscant, though it was probably a 'flat' looking reflective cloud. But still, if they have the technology to industrialise and urbanise an entire planet, why can't they put in a few 'city seas' or mountain ranges, just for the hell of it?

Thoughts? Opinions?

Posted: 2004-12-26 10:34pm
by Ghost Rider
Shadows of the Empire calims there is pretty much only one natural mountain on Coruscant, and it's a big tourist attraction.

I think a big reason people don't think it has any natural features or even features of that sort is that the concept that it's New York or Tokyo taken to the Nth degree.

Posted: 2004-12-26 10:36pm
by Techno_Union
There are large stores of water of the planet for drinking and all that, though I heard those were actually supposed to be underground.

This picture that you mentioned, when was it released and is there a place I could find it? I don't seem to recall ever seeing it.

Posted: 2004-12-26 10:39pm
by Stofsk
Ghost Rider wrote:Shadows of the Empire calims there is pretty much only one natural mountain on Coruscant, and it's a big tourist attraction.

I think a big reason people don't think it has any natural features or even features of that sort is that the concept that it's New York or Tokyo taken to the Nth degree.
Wow! Shadows of the Empire said that? Whereabouts? I must have missed it...
Techno_Union wrote:There are large stores of water of the planet for drinking and all that, though I heard those were actually supposed to be underground.

This picture that you mentioned, when was it released and is there a place I could find it? I don't seem to recall ever seeing it.
The film, the last bit where Dooku comes to Coruscant. For a second it looks like a sea but I think now it was just a weird kind of cloud.

Posted: 2004-12-26 10:40pm
by Ghost Rider
Stofsk wrote:
Ghost Rider wrote:Shadows of the Empire calims there is pretty much only one natural mountain on Coruscant, and it's a big tourist attraction.

I think a big reason people don't think it has any natural features or even features of that sort is that the concept that it's New York or Tokyo taken to the Nth degree.
Wow! Shadows of the Empire said that? Whereabouts? I must have missed it...
When Xizor is heading towards Menari(around the start of Chapter 8). He talks about the mountain and the monks that live on it.

Posted: 2004-12-26 11:12pm
by Knife
Stofsk wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:There are large stores of water of the planet for drinking and all that, though I heard those were actually supposed to be underground.

This picture that you mentioned, when was it released and is there a place I could find it? I don't seem to recall ever seeing it.
The film, the last bit where Dooku comes to Coruscant. For a second it looks like a sea but I think now it was just a weird kind of cloud.
In one of the NJO books, there's a pleasure yacht on an 'ocean' that is really a water resevoir and an artificial ocean.

Posted: 2004-12-26 11:59pm
by kheegster
Well, taking the NYC analogy...there's Central Park in NYC which is quasi-natural and has ponds etc., so I wouldn't be surprised if there were artificial mountains or seas for recreation purposes.

Posted: 2004-12-27 07:36am
by Coyote
I was watching AotC on DVD last night and there were clouds, and I remember thinking, hey, clouds... there must be surface water...

I'd presume they would have to have some surface water otherwise there'd be no weather, and little atmosphere worthy of the name. I could see having few topography if it were an old world, ravaged by erosion...

Posted: 2004-12-27 11:13am
by Techno_Union
Coyote wrote:I was watching AotC on DVD last night and there were clouds, and I remember thinking, hey, clouds... there must be surface water...

I'd presume they would have to have some surface water otherwise there'd be no weather, and little atmosphere worthy of the name. I could see having few topography if it were an old world, ravaged by erosion...
From various sources, those clouds are supposed to be artificial... almost any weather is actually supposed to be artificial.

Posted: 2004-12-27 11:16am
by CaptainChewbacca
There's the Manari Mountain, the only uncovered mountain left. There's also at least one large "sea" which is a giagantic open reservoir with artificial beaches. One was punctured and drained by falling debris during the fall of Coruscant. The icecaps are also bare.

Posted: 2004-12-28 10:32am
by Isolder74
I think that another natural mountain is the monument square in the celebration in Return of the Jedi, where they drop the statue of Palpatine. That is suppost to be the top of a butte-like mountain. though that place even seems to be completely altered from its natural form and shape.

Posted: 2004-12-28 04:53pm
by The Original Nex
CaptainChewbacca wrote:There's the Manari Mountain, the only uncovered mountain left.
Wasn't only the summit undeveloped? I thought that's what the whole Monument Plaza, "see the only original rock of Coruscant's original crust" dealie was about.

Posted: 2004-12-28 09:48pm
by Enforcer Talen
in the jedi academy trilogy, han goes skiing with kyp on the ice caps.

Posted: 2004-12-28 09:54pm
by Praxis
Knife wrote:
Stofsk wrote:
Techno_Union wrote:There are large stores of water of the planet for drinking and all that, though I heard those were actually supposed to be underground.

This picture that you mentioned, when was it released and is there a place I could find it? I don't seem to recall ever seeing it.
The film, the last bit where Dooku comes to Coruscant. For a second it looks like a sea but I think now it was just a weird kind of cloud.
In one of the NJO books, there's a pleasure yacht on an 'ocean' that is really a water resevoir and an artificial ocean.
That was stated to be the only ocean on the entire planet, btw.

Posted: 2004-12-28 09:55pm
by Praxis
Enforcer Talen wrote:in the jedi academy trilogy, han goes skiing with kyp on the ice caps.
The ice caps are also mentioned in the X-wing books.

Posted: 2004-12-29 01:45am
by Sea Skimmer
In Star-By-Star an enormous artificial ocean is mentioned, built across the rooftops of a vast number of structures.

Posted: 2004-12-29 10:14am
by LadyTevar
Oneof the novels mentions Vader's Tower, on the shore of a artifical ocean. I think it was one of Thawn's Hand series?

Posted: 2004-12-29 11:15am
by Old Plympto
I think that's in the Black Fleet Crisis novel originally posted by Stofsk at the top of this thread.

Posted: 2005-01-01 02:56am
by Illuminatus Primus
Coyote wrote:I was watching AotC on DVD last night and there were clouds, and I remember thinking, hey, clouds... there must be surface water...

I'd presume they would have to have some surface water otherwise there'd be no weather, and little atmosphere worthy of the name. I could see having few topography if it were an old world, ravaged by erosion...
Coruscant's physical quandries basically guarentee that the various weather and gas cycles are completely artificially controlled. Coruscant must even artifically pump its heat away from the surface and atmosphere, otherwise the combination of solar radiation absorbtion and waste heat from heat engines would cook the world from a human habitability perspective.

Posted: 2005-01-01 07:05am
by FTeik
Keep in mind, that Coruscant was largely flattend in DE. The reconstruction-efforts of the NR might have included a lot more "natural" landscape, than what was there during the PT and imperial era.

Posted: 2005-01-01 02:07pm
by Illuminatus Primus
The Plaza was still a big deal post-DE. I think that Vader's castle was just nestled beside an underground or small exposed storage pool that has been exposed and mostly laid waste to from DE and insufficiently repaired since then.

Posted: 2005-01-01 05:36pm
by The Original Nex
And if you want to get into the Vong invasion, they did all sorts of crazy shit to Coruscant's terrain. The made all kinds of "valleys" and "mountains" and "oceans." :wink:

Posted: 2005-01-01 06:00pm
by Praxis
The Original Nex wrote:And if you want to get into the Vong invasion, they did all sorts of crazy shit to Coruscant's terrain. The made all kinds of "valleys" and "mountains" and "oceans." :wink:
Yeah, but that was AFTER the Vong had terraformed it ;) And the mountains were on top of the buildings, and the valleys are areas with smaller buildings or ones that were destroyed in the battle.

Posted: 2005-01-04 12:43pm
by Elheru Aran
A thought: Perhaps at some point, some buildings were constructed with a deliberate mountainous look to them-- some fancy housing project ("Come Live in the Mountains!" quite literally...), and the buildings around them adopted the look, resulting in a mountain range of sorts? Does the picture ever indicate that the mountains are natural or artifical?