Mon Mothma´s position in the political spectrum

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-01-05 07:46am

Exactly where is Mon Mothma´s position in the political spectrum?

As a person, who concentrates on the novels and comics i got the impression, that Mom Mothma is very dogmatic and has little tolerance for ideas, that don´t fit her owns, but where does she herself stand?

Is she a liberal, a die-hard-republican (in the sense the murderers of Julius Cesar were), a conservative or what?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-05 08:06am

Well, what are the policy decisions she makes or puts forward to the Senate?

Chances are she's gonna be a diehard Republican, but that doesn't really answer the question. What is her portfolio? I assume it's in the EU, somewhere.

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2005-01-05 12:43pm

Well, she's certainly not a passive person. Senator Garm Bel Iblis left the Rebellion because he thought Mothma was out for Palpatine's throne rather than real freedom. And to quote from the Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook: "Bel Iblis hated it when she was convinced she was right: there was no talking to her."
So no, not much tolerance for ideas.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-01-05 01:40pm

Yes, i know, but what about her political believes?

I´m wondering about things like law-enforcement, social spending, civil rights, schooling, the more mundane things of politics. Did she have a heart for the enviroment or the socially weak or was she in bed with some of the large companies?

Thanas · Post by **Thanas** » 2005-01-05 01:53pm

I think we can add pragmatic to that list. After all, she was willing to work with former Imperial officials.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-01-05 02:53pm

From early EU we know she was pratically shagging Borsk Fei'lyia(sp?). He only had to ripple his fur in the X-Wing and Thrawn Trilogy and he got his own way, to the point where Ackbar nearly lost his position as supreme commander.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-01-05 03:06pm

Goofy far-left liberal, I'd say.

We're talking about the woman who decided ISDs were too big and scary for the NR to build.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-01-05 03:59pm

She also tried to cancel the Death Star attack after finding out Palpatine would be on board for fearshe's be accused of assasination.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-01-05 04:59pm

Lord Pounder wrote:She also tried to cancel the Death Star attack after finding out Palpatine would be on board for fearshe's be accused of assasination.

WTF? Where does this come from?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2005-01-05 05:16pm

It might have been in one of the old sourcebooks but I distinctly remember it. Ackbar and Madine thought she was nuts.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-01-05 05:47pm

I think it was mentioned in Darksaber, I know it was definately mentioned in the EU novels. I'll hunt through them later.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-01-05 06:08pm

Good for rebellion but there's no way in hell I'd ever want her running the government.

Gustav32Vasa · Post by **Gustav32Vasa** » 2005-01-05 06:14pm

Joe wrote:Good for rebellion but there's no way in hell I'd ever want her running the government.

Why?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-01-05 06:25pm

A leader needs tohave balls and the ability to pick the lesser of 2 evils. When Mon Mothma faced her 2 evils she immediately chose to run away and not face them. Ackbar and Madine had to pratically beg for the battle that won the war.

The_Last_Rebel · Post by **The_Last_Rebel** » 2005-01-09 07:57am

Sounds like she was a bleeding heart liberal.

I couldn't help but wonder what if Han Solo ever became president of the NR.
His wife seemed to do a good job...

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-09 08:28am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:We're talking about the woman who decided ISDs were too big and scary for the NR to build.

When did she say this, out of curiosity? And there was another incident I'm curious about: apparently, Ackbar and Madine had to beg for Endor to happen, due to Mon Mothma's initial misgivings about it. Where was this written?

The_Last_Rebel wrote:I couldn't help but wonder what if Han Solo ever became president of the NR.

His wife seemed to do a good job...

Han Solo would have been a more proactive President (or Chancellor?). Someone like Borsk Fey'lyla might destroy him by essentially playing the political game. On the positive side, Chancellor Solo would probably have had little or no trouble dealing with the Yuzzhan Vong invasion.

Leia, from memory, didn't do a good job. The BFC was something that essentially turned her character into this tired HoS who tried far too hard to build some kind of positive relationship with the Yvetha, even after it was established that they were genocidal maniacs.

This is a woman who begun her political career as a fucking REBEL. She saw first hand what genocide can do to once-proud planets. She even became a soldier, and was always a top-level member of the Rebellion (if not full on leader of it; one of my dislikes of ROTJ was the insertion of Mon Mothma, as it seemed to 'steal Leia's thunder' as the leader of the Rebellion; in essence, it was shown that Leia was the leader of her particular cell, but I still have to wonder what Mon Mothma was doing when battles were going on at Yavin, Hoth etc); does she sound like the kind of person who would try to 'reason' with Nil Spar and his xenophobia? My memory of the BFC is somewhat vague, but I remember her being reluctant to deploy the Fifth Fleet.

Personally, I wish she had just remained as a diplomat for the New Republic, and as a Jedi-in-training. She should not have been elected Chancellor. Nor should Mon Mothma, as it turns out, who's nutty it appears.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-01-09 12:28pm

Han Solo would have been a more proactive President (or Chancellor?).

The cheif of state of the NR seems to prereffered to a Cheif of State X. Although they have been refer to as Presidents in the Hand of Thrawn books.

Sharp-kun · Post by **Sharp-kun** » 2005-01-09 01:31pm

Stofsk wrote: When did she say this, out of curiosity?

Might have been the Black Fleet Crisis, not sure. I do remember it though. Basically she refused to let the NR build big ass warships like Executor's because she thought it would make them look too much like the Empire.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-01-09 04:03pm

BFC for the "big ships are evil" gem, and Darksaber for "we'll be just like the Empire if we blow up the Death Star with Palpy on it."

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2005-01-09 06:09pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:BFC for the "big ships are evil" gem, and Darksaber for "we'll be just like the Empire if we blow up the Death Star with Palpy on it."

Actually, in Black Fleet Crisis it was just the massive capital ships in the weight-class of the Executor I though. Certainly the Republic is building ships in the same tonnage range as ISDs.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2005-01-09 07:26pm

Now that it comes to mind I dont remeber Mon Mothma or Leia ever doing anything good for the Republic during there reigns. The only head of state that got stuff done was the Alien from VOTF.

At least he was able to make peace with the Empire. What did Leia and Mon Mothma do but try for peace and fail because the dont want to fight the real enemies of the Republic. They let countless Trillions die due to there lack of balls.

SCVN 2812 · Post by **SCVN 2812** » 2005-01-09 07:46pm

Admiral Drason wrote:Now that it comes to mind I dont remeber Mon Mothma or Leia ever doing anything good for the Republic during there reigns. The only head of state that got stuff done was the Alien from VOTF.

At least he was able to make peace with the Empire. What did Leia and Mon Mothma do but try for peace and fail because the dont want to fight the real enemies of the Republic. They let countless Trillions die due to there lack of balls.

Leia likely recinded Mon Mothma's policy on big ships since someone had to authorize the Mediator and Strident classes. Though one must concede the Mon Calamari equivalent of Executor would be, at least asthetically, much less threatening than a giant knife blade.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-01-09 08:39pm

Stormbringer wrote:Actually, in Black Fleet Crisis it was just the massive capital ships in the weight-class of the Executor I though. Certainly the Republic is building ships in the same tonnage range as ISDs.

Where does it say that? Anyhow the most massive ships fielded by the NRDF in the 5th Fleet are Nebula/Defender-class Star Destroyers, at a paltry 1,040 meters in length (compared to the ISD II's 1,606 meters).

And sorry, you are foresaking a huge weight class of starships if you're not building anything from 1 ISD mass to 100 ISD masses and only building stuff from 0 to .8 or so.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2005-01-10 03:08am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Actually, in Black Fleet Crisis it was just the massive capital ships in the weight-class of the Executor I though. Certainly the Republic is building ships in the same tonnage range as ISDs.
Where does it say that? Anyhow the most massive ships fielded by the NRDF in the 5th Fleet are Nebula/Defender-class Star Destroyers, at a paltry 1,040 meters in length (compared to the ISD II's 1,606 meters).

And sorry, you are foresaking a huge weight class of starships if you're not building anything from 1 ISD mass to 100 ISD masses and only building stuff from 0 to .8 or so.

Well, despite the claims of Lusankya being scrapped in BFC, we still see the ship around at a later point in time.

What i wonder is, if it was really political will for the NR to do with smaller ships than ISDs during their first decade or if they had no other choice (from an industrial and monetary point). They got stomped in DE after all and at the time of BFC the NR barely consisted of 11,000 worlds.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-01-10 03:21am

With the Cuitric Hegemony expected to be able to churn out a Pulsar Station at will, the eight-sector Remnant later able to churn out an Executor during a war, Tarkin's Oversector - a total backwater of the most extreme part of the Rim - apparently building the Death Star, and the quadrillions of ships worth of money making corporate transactions...I doubt they could not have done better, but were politically corrupt and militarily inept.