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Neutrality of the Force?

Posted: 2002-11-16 10:11pm
by Exonerate
I was just wondering if it was possible for a Jedi to be neutral... Not of the Dark or the Light side.

Posted: 2002-11-16 10:15pm
by Raptor 597
Yeah, it goes with the whole EU draw upon both polars kinda like Kyp Durron. The horo!*Shrekks* anyway, the Mistryl are a neutral Forcie, and many Ex-Jedi following Palpatin'es Purges would be considered neutral aswell.

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:16pm
by pecker
I'd say it would be VERY hard. Without the discipline innate in the light side, people would fall to the dark.

Re: Neutrality of the Force?

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:25pm
by Knife
Exonerate wrote:I was just wondering if it was possible for a Jedi to be neutral... Not of the Dark or the Light side.
One could argue that Qui Jon Jin was neutral, he did not go along with the council and did what he felt was right.

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:28pm
by Raptor 597
pecker wrote:I'd say it would be VERY hard. Without the discipline innate in the light side, people would fall to the dark.
Wouldn't this go back too the whole lack of polars, and even if you feel you'd still have bothe tchniques thus equaling a Dark Jedi?

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:46pm
by pecker
Captain Lennox wrote:
pecker wrote:I'd say it would be VERY hard. Without the discipline innate in the light side, people would fall to the dark.
Wouldn't this go back too the whole lack of polars, and even if you feel you'd still have bothe tchniques thus equaling a Dark Jedi?
The way I saw it, the Dark Side is sneaky. That's why Jedi have to be on guard. 'Traitor' notwithstanding, the Dark Side pretty much tricks you into self destruction. Which is why there's a Jedi Order, to keep things in check.

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:53pm
by Brother-Captain Gaius
IMHO, Light-side and Dark-side Force energies and users are an abstraction created by the Jedi Knights, just a code of behavior and what's-right and what's-wrong. So from the Jedi's point-of-view, no.
From my point-of-view, yes... the Force itself does not discriminate toward any use of it, much the same as magic in D&D. The user, and the user alone, determines the nature of Force-user he is, be it a so-called "Dark-sider", "Light-sider", or neutral, or whatever.

Posted: 2002-11-16 11:59pm
by pecker
JediNeophyte wrote:IMHO, Light-side and Dark-side Force energies and users are an abstraction created by the Jedi Knights, just a code of behavior and what's-right and what's-wrong. So from the Jedi's point-of-view, no.
From my point-of-view, yes... the Force itself does not discriminate toward any use of it, much the same as magic in D&D. The user, and the user alone, determines the nature of Force-user he is, be it a so-called "Dark-sider", "Light-sider", or neutral, or whatever.
Did you think of that before or after Traitor came out?

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:03am
by Raptor 597
pecker wrote:
Captain Lennox wrote:
pecker wrote:I'd say it would be VERY hard. Without the discipline innate in the light side, people would fall to the dark.
Wouldn't this go back too the whole lack of polars, and even if you feel you'd still have bothe tchniques thus equaling a Dark Jedi?
The way I saw it, the Dark Side is sneaky. That's why Jedi have to be on guard. 'Traitor' notwithstanding, the Dark Side pretty much tricks you into self destruction. Which is why there's a Jedi Order, to keep things in check.
You see I haven't read Traitot, yet. And I always thought the Jedi were a bunch of Hypocrites, and tht you could harnass both. You only made the Dark Side Seductive if you seek more which most do.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:04am
by Brother-Captain Gaius
pecker wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:IMHO, Light-side and Dark-side Force energies and users are an abstraction created by the Jedi Knights, just a code of behavior and what's-right and what's-wrong. So from the Jedi's point-of-view, no.
From my point-of-view, yes... the Force itself does not discriminate toward any use of it, much the same as magic in D&D. The user, and the user alone, determines the nature of Force-user he is, be it a so-called "Dark-sider", "Light-sider", or neutral, or whatever.
Did you think of that before or after Traitor came out?
It comes from the perspective I got from playing D&D, which I started 3 years ago, so before.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:06am
by pecker
JediNeophyte wrote:
pecker wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:IMHO, Light-side and Dark-side Force energies and users are an abstraction created by the Jedi Knights, just a code of behavior and what's-right and what's-wrong. So from the Jedi's point-of-view, no.
From my point-of-view, yes... the Force itself does not discriminate toward any use of it, much the same as magic in D&D. The user, and the user alone, determines the nature of Force-user he is, be it a so-called "Dark-sider", "Light-sider", or neutral, or whatever.
Did you think of that before or after Traitor came out?
It comes from the perspective I got from playing D&D, which I started 3 years ago, so before.
Ok. Cuz alot of people read Traitor, go "NO DARK SIDE!!! YAHHH!" without actually thinking about it.

I personally think Vergere was full of it.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:09am
by Brother-Captain Gaius
pecker wrote: Ok. Cuz alot of people read Traitor, go "NO DARK SIDE!!! YAHHH!" without actually thinking about it.

I personally think Vergere was full of it.
I agree. Vergere was a pothead.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:14am
by Raptor 597
pecker wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:
pecker wrote: Did you think of that before or after Traitor came out?
It comes from the perspective I got from playing D&D, which I started 3 years ago, so before.
Ok. Cuz alot of people read Traitor, go "NO DARK SIDE!!! YAHHH!" without actually thinking about it.

I personally think Vergere was full of it.
I heard her theory give me the basic rundown. I stopped readying NJO, during Rebel Stand too read 1984 again.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:18am
by Raptor 597
*about her theory. Sorry

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:20am
by pecker
Captain Lennox wrote:
pecker wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote: It comes from the perspective I got from playing D&D, which I started 3 years ago, so before.
Ok. Cuz alot of people read Traitor, go "NO DARK SIDE!!! YAHHH!" without actually thinking about it.

I personally think Vergere was full of it.
I heard her theory give me the basic rundown. I stopped readying NJO, during Rebel Stand too read 1984 again.
The only NJO I read was traitor.

Basically, Vergere says the Jedi made up the idea of the Dark Side to cover up human weakness. She pointed out why consciously killing is evil, but if you kill by instinct, by necessity, it's not. The 'Dark Side' that we call is actually just the natural state of things. I'd quote it, but I don't have the book with me.

Basically, she said there is no Light or Dark Side.

Posted: 2002-11-17 12:32am
by Raptor 597
Well I sarted on SBS. And the Dark Side thing is looking more anatomical with Vergere, then a simple polar balance choice. But a flaw in her argument is Light Siders are mellow Hippies rid of darkness are in a massive cover up.