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I'm working on an essay regarding the Old Republic and the founding of the Jedi Order, and I had a few questions:

What happens after someone is expelled from the Jedi Order? Are they stripped of their connection with the force?

Also, what do the Jedi do when they encounter someone like Anakin, that is too old to be trained but has a connection to the force?

How important is training in the use of the force? Does training enable the conscious use of the force, or just strengthen it?

Does anyone remember what the names and philosophies of the other groups of force users are? (I know the Jedi aren’t the only ones, I just can't remember their names, philosophies, and status in canon. I'd reread myself, but most of my books are boxed.)

The stripping of the Force seems to be an extraordinarily rare punishment. Rather the member is basically left to his or her own devices provided the leaving/expel was amicable.

I mean usually the member by that time from all looks and things has gone Dark Side loco more then not.

Other then the OR of the TPM era, take him under their wing and train them. In fact the OR of the TPM era is one of the few times we saw actual taking of charges. Jedi lore is pretty much that master/student meet when the time is right.

Training is like everything else. You could learn on your own, but the refinement and some techniques are likely never to be learned by self teaching.

Jason L. Miles wrote:I'm working on an essay regarding the Old Republic and the founding of the Jedi Order, and I had a few questions:

What happens after someone is expelled from the Jedi Order? Are they stripped of their connection with the force?

I can't see how that could be done.

Jason L. Miles wrote:Also, what do the Jedi do when they encounter someone like Anakin, that is too old to be trained but has a connection to the force?

That's a good question, I'll continue below.

Jason L. Miles wrote:How important is training in the use of the force? Does training enable the conscious use of the force, or just strengthen it?

Training is important because of the risk that the individual might be corrupted by the Dark Side. For a situation as that with Anakin, if he hadn't been trained as a Jedi, I guess (and it's a guess) that he would have trained not to use the force.

Jason L. Miles wrote:Does anyone remember what the names and philosophies of the other groups of force users are? (I know the Jedi aren’t the only ones, I just can't remember their names, philosophies, and status in canon. I'd reread myself, but most of my books are boxed.)

Don't know, sorry.

Jason L. Miles wrote:I'm working on an essay regarding the Old Republic and the founding of the Jedi Order, and I had a few questions:

What happens after someone is expelled from the Jedi Order? Are they stripped of their connection with the force?

Well, we know there is the 'lost twenty'. Dooku was thought to be a 'lost twenty' as he left the order. They didn't strip him of his powers so it's safe to assume the other 19 that voluntarily left the order didn't get stripped either.

Now, expelled from the order may be different. If Anakin would have gone back for Padme, and thus let Dooku get away, would the Order have 'expelled' him? And if so, would they have stripped him of the Force? I don't know.

Also, what do the Jedi do when they encounter someone like Anakin, that is too old to be trained but has a connection to the force?

I would imagine, not much. Luke was ~19 or so and while he was supposedly strong in the Force, not much in the way of uber powers had manifested themselves in young Luke.

Some what simular in Anakin, though he did seem to have superior reflexes and such, but he's hardly bouncing around in Force Leaps and moving Speeders around with the Force.

How important is training in the use of the force? Does training enable the conscious use of the force, or just strengthen it?

As I mentioned above, it seems that formal training is indeed necessary for 'advance' techniques in the Force. Some one without training may have some 'natual' abilities highthened, but super, uber powers seem to need not only practice but a certain point of view, as well.

Does anyone remember what the names and philosophies of the other groups of force users are? (I know the Jedi aren’t the only ones, I just can't remember their names, philosophies, and status in canon. I'd reread myself, but most of my books are boxed.)

Nope, sorry,.

Jason L. Miles wrote:Does anyone remember what the names and philosophies of the other groups of force users are?

Not sure but didn't one of the books mention 'The witches of Dathomir' or something like that?
Also what about the Fallanassi?

Maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

Jason L. Miles wrote:What happens after someone is expelled from the Jedi Order? Are they stripped of their connection with the force?

I think it's in a comic, the Sith Wars maybe not sure, where a force user was stripped of his ability.

It may have been answered before, but did Count Dooku get his title during/after he was in the Order or did he retain it even though he was taken to be trained?

I believe I recall reading that only once in the known history of the Jedi Order has a Jedi ever been forcibly stripped of his abilities (or perhaps had them locked away somehow so he couldn't access them). It took a collective effort of many Jedi masters, as well.

Perhaps its similar to what happened to Callista?

Ulic Qel Droma's connection to the Force was severed in the Dark Horse Sith War series. He apparently regains his abilities at his death and becomes a glowie. His powers were taken away by one Jedi, but I'm not exactly sure by whom. I think it was Nomi Sunrider... but I'm probably wrong about the name.

From the Official SW site: Cay Qel-Droma confronted Ulic. The two dueled in a lightsaber battle, and Ulic killed his own brother. Ulic was stunned by his actions. The murder of his beloved brother was enough to shake Ulic to the core of the man he once was. Nomi, distraught at the depths to which Ulic had plunged, attacked him through the Force. She used her powers to strip away Ulic's. The assault was total. Ulic's Force-ability was cut off to him. He was a mere mortal, and his spirit was ultimately broken.

Isn't it a bit unethical to let jedi trained people wander around unsupervised? Imagine what you could get away with with the aid of the jedi mind trick.

Prozac the Robert wrote:Isn't it a bit unethical to let jedi trained people wander around unsupervised? Imagine what you could get away with with the aid of the jedi mind trick.

So what? Put them in jail for the horrendous crime of not wanting to be part of the Jedi anymore? Especially since the Jedi take children around the age of 4 into the order. At four, you really can't comprehend any comitment in what you're getting yourself into.

Ok, just to clarify, this is what I'm getting (In no particular order):

Some of these are not addressed in this thread, but are part of my essay.

In the prequel era:

Force User != Jedi.

The Jedi Order, normally, only takes infants for training.

People who have control of the force, but no training, can use simple force abilities at a very basic level, often without knowing that they are using the force.

When people are expeled from the Jedi Order, they do not lose access to thier force powers, but they do lose the resources of the order.

The Jedi Order's primary function is a combination of diplomacy, law enforcement, and arbitration.

The Jedi Order exists semi-independantly of the Republic Senate, but is answerable to the Supreme Chancellor.

The Jedi Order has vast cash reserves.

Jedi's are supposed to be emotionally neutral, i.e. the ideal Jedi would never have positive or negative emotions.

Other orders of good force users exist.