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1.) The term Darth was not made until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

2.) The Master and Apprentice rule was not thought of until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

3.) Released years before were The Tales of the Jedi comica that take place 5,000-3,900 years before the movies. The game tramples over them like they never existed, despite them being established long before. Like so:

-------A. The technology in the game is too advanced for that time period in the Star Wars timeline because just 40 years eariler, which is when the comics take place the technology is a lot more ancient and primative (in comparison to the movies) while still having the Star Wars theme. KoTOR has tech the same as a period 4,000 years later.

-------B. In the comics the Sith Lord Exar Kun waged a war against the Jedi and eventually was defeated after a long and very costly conflict. In the EU timeline after the Exar Kun war which is know as "The Great Sith War" there is a time of relative everlasting peace that lasts for 3,000 years until Darth Bane. During this time there is no signifigant war, and the Sith are virtually wiped out. The next major war occurs with the Republic & Seperatists. In the movies.

-------C. The Mandolorians were wiped out. In the already established EU the Mandolorians are practically obliterated save for a few remaing ones and for just 20 years after Exar Kun's death for them to have a huge militay machine...well, it only happens in an Infinity.

-------D. Ok, what is the deal with all of the Jedi being wiped out save a few? There are so many reasons why that is wrong. It's still a great game, and set in the SW universe. But it contradicts many existing facts, and thus is an Infinity.

4.) Kolto is not right. In the Star Wars universe Bacta is the only widespread agent used for healing and used in med pacs, Bioware made up Kolto out of thin air.

5.) The planets are almost all completely wrong. Tatooine was not settled by outside people until many many years later. Korriban was screwed up, etc

6.) The Rakatan Empire: believe it or not the Star Wars timeline dates beack 10s of thousands of years before the movies. If such Rakatan Empire existed 25,000 years before the movies many races, species, governments, and empires would never have existed account to its "Infinate Empire" and its slavation to every other race.

Q: -I- just happen to prefer KotoR over the 40+ novels, and 10+ comica series.

A: You can choose to say, despite the evidence all around you, that KotoR happened within the timeline. You certainly have the right to be ignorant...which is what you are being. Just be aware you trample over long established EU story and parts of the very Sith culture established by George Lucas himself from the movies. Just cause he gets a few hundred thousand dollars and slaps a logo onto a game doesn't make it mesh. It makes it a SW-based game.

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Finally, the official SW timeline is simple. Grab the Unifying Force from your bookstore. Look at the inside cover. Observe all the books laid out in a timeline. Now add all the comics, since they don't contradict this timeline. Now, some games do actually mesh. Keyan Farlander & Kyle Katarn are official EU....and they came from games that worked with it, instead of trampling over it. Sorry KotoR fans, while its a great game, it isn't EU.
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Darth Fenix wrote:Here's someone's excuse of why KOTOR isn't canon. Is it right?

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Darth Fenix wrote:Here's someone's excuse of why KOTOR isn't canon. Is it right?

1.) The term Darth was not made until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

2.) The Master and Apprentice rule was not thought of until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

3.) Released years before were The Tales of the Jedi comica that take place 5,000-3,900 years before the movies. The game tramples over them like they never existed, despite them being established long before. Like so:

-------A. The technology in the game is too advanced for that time period in the Star Wars timeline because just 40 years eariler, which is when the comics take place the technology is a lot more ancient and primative (in comparison to the movies) while still having the Star Wars theme. KoTOR has tech the same as a period 4,000 years later.

-------B. In the comics the Sith Lord Exar Kun waged a war against the Jedi and eventually was defeated after a long and very costly conflict. In the EU timeline after the Exar Kun war which is know as "The Great Sith War" there is a time of relative everlasting peace that lasts for 3,000 years until Darth Bane. During this time there is no signifigant war, and the Sith are virtually wiped out. The next major war occurs with the Republic & Seperatists. In the movies.

-------C. The Mandolorians were wiped out. In the already established EU the Mandolorians are practically obliterated save for a few remaing ones and for just 20 years after Exar Kun's death for them to have a huge militay machine...well, it only happens in an Infinity.

-------D. Ok, what is the deal with all of the Jedi being wiped out save a few? There are so many reasons why that is wrong. It's still a great game, and set in the SW universe. But it contradicts many existing facts, and thus is an Infinity.

4.) Kolto is not right. In the Star Wars universe Bacta is the only widespread agent used for healing and used in med pacs, Bioware made up Kolto out of thin air.

5.) The planets are almost all completely wrong. Tatooine was not settled by outside people until many many years later. Korriban was screwed up, etc

6.) The Rakatan Empire: believe it or not the Star Wars timeline dates beack 10s of thousands of years before the movies. If such Rakatan Empire existed 25,000 years before the movies many races, species, governments, and empires would never have existed account to its "Infinate Empire" and its slavation to every other race.

Q: -I- just happen to prefer KotoR over the 40+ novels, and 10+ comica series.

A: You can choose to say, despite the evidence all around you, that KotoR happened within the timeline. You certainly have the right to be ignorant...which is what you are being. Just be aware you trample over long established EU story and parts of the very Sith culture established by George Lucas himself from the movies. Just cause he gets a few hundred thousand dollars and slaps a logo onto a game doesn't make it mesh. It makes it a SW-based game.

Finally, the official SW timeline is simple. Grab the Unifying Force from your bookstore. Look at the inside cover. Observe all the books laid out in a timeline. Now add all the comics, since they don't contradict this timeline. Now, some games do actually mesh. Keyan Farlander & Kyle Katarn are official EU....and they came from games that worked with it, instead of trampling over it. Sorry KotoR fans, while its a great game, it isn't EU.

-------C. The Mandolorians were wiped out. In the already established EU the Mandolorians are practically obliterated save for a few remaing ones and for just 20 years after Exar Kun's death for them to have a huge militay machine...well, it only happens in an Infinity.

Lord Revan wrote:

-------C. The Mandolorians were wiped out. In the already established EU the Mandolorians are practically obliterated save for a few remaing ones and for just 20 years after Exar Kun's death for them to have a huge militay machine...well, it only happens in an Infinity.

doesn't KOTOR happen 40 years after the death of Exar Kun (give or take few years and the sith war starts just 2,5 years before KOTOR).

1.) The term Darth was not made until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

2.) The Master and Apprentice rule was not thought of until 3,000 years later with Darth Bane.

3.) Released years before were The Tales of the Jedi comica that take place 5,000-3,900 years before the movies. The game tramples over them like they never existed, despite them being established long before. Like so:

-------A. The technology in the game is too advanced for that time period in the Star Wars timeline because just 40 years eariler, which is when the comics take place the technology is a lot more ancient and primative (in comparison to the movies) while still having the Star Wars theme. KoTOR has tech the same as a period 4,000 years later.

-------B. In the comics the Sith Lord Exar Kun waged a war against the Jedi and eventually was defeated after a long and very costly conflict. In the EU timeline after the Exar Kun war which is know as "The Great Sith War" there is a time of relative everlasting peace that lasts for 3,000 years until Darth Bane. During this time there is no signifigant war, and the Sith are virtually wiped out. The next major war occurs with the Republic & Seperatists. In the movies.

-------C. The Mandolorians were wiped out. In the already established EU the Mandolorians are practically obliterated save for a few remaing ones and for just 20 years after Exar Kun's death for them to have a huge militay machine...well, it only happens in an Infinity.

-------D. Ok, what is the deal with all of the Jedi being wiped out save a few? There are so many reasons why that is wrong. It's still a great game, and set in the SW universe. But it contradicts many existing facts, and thus is an Infinity.

4.) Kolto is not right. In the Star Wars universe Bacta is the only widespread agent used for healing and used in med pacs, Bioware made up Kolto out of thin air.

5.) The planets are almost all completely wrong. Tatooine was not settled by outside people until many many years later. Korriban was screwed up, etc

6.) The Rakatan Empire: believe it or not the Star Wars timeline dates beack 10s of thousands of years before the movies. If such Rakatan Empire existed 25,000 years before the movies many races, species, governments, and empires would never have existed account to its "Infinate Empire" and its slavation to every other race.

Q: -I- just happen to prefer KotoR over the 40+ novels, and 10+ comica series.

A: You can choose to say, despite the evidence all around you, that KotoR happened within the timeline. You certainly have the right to be ignorant...which is what you are being. Just be aware you trample over long established EU story and parts of the very Sith culture established by George Lucas himself from the movies. Just cause he gets a few hundred thousand dollars and slaps a logo onto a game doesn't make it mesh. It makes it a SW-based game.

.

Finally, the official SW timeline is simple. Grab the Unifying Force from your bookstore. Look at the inside cover. Observe all the books laid out in a timeline. Now add all the comics, since they don't contradict this timeline. Now, some games do actually mesh. Keyan Farlander & Kyle Katarn are official EU....and they came from games that worked with it, instead of trampling over it. Sorry KotoR fans, while its a great game, it isn't EU.

Ghost Rider wrote:

Q: -I- just happen to prefer KotoR over the 40+ novels, and 10+ comica series.

A: You can choose to say, despite the evidence all around you, that KotoR happened within the timeline. You certainly have the right to be ignorant...which is what you are being. Just be aware you trample over long established EU story and parts of the very Sith culture established by George Lucas himself from the movies. Just cause he gets a few hundred thousand dollars and slaps a logo onto a game doesn't make it mesh. It makes it a SW-based game.

This one you have to love given the derth of mistakes he's made, he presumes he's not ignorant

Stofsk wrote:The Hero's Guide did *not* state that Mace Windu invented Form VII, only that it was his chosen style of combat. That is the only RPG source I know that covers it, and really all it says is "Form VII, difficult to master, very unpredictable, Mace Windu's chosen style."

I don't see a problem, unless there's another source that contradicts this one.

Meest wrote:KOTOR 2 Darkside spoiler:

Two Sith Lords "dethrone" and literally remove their master's power from her. If this is a true recollection I'm not sure, that character is a known manipulator.

Though this cutscene may happen for Lightside character too. (only played darkside so far)

Vympel wrote:

Darth Fenix wrote: 4.) Kolto is not right. In the Star Wars universe Bacta is the only widespread agent used for healing and used in med pacs, Bioware made up Kolto out of thin air.

This guy's rapidly turning into an idiot. Just because they make up another widespread healing agent does not mean it is not part of the continuity. EU authors make up shit all the time. This guy is one of those typical fanatics, who has his own set view of what the SW history is and anything that changes that view is attacked as "false" simply because that's not what he thought.

And besides, to assert that bacta is the ONLY widespread agent used for healing is incredibly dumb on its face.