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First is it possible for Jedi to use the the Force to "see" if his/her eyes (or the equilevant) are disabled?

Second can a Jedi "see" in the dark (again by using the force)?

Lord Revan wrote:First is it possible for Jedi to use the the Force to "see" if his/her eyes (or the equilevant) are disabled?

Second can a Jedi "see" in the dark (again by using the force)?

If Jedi Knight (computer game) is Canon, then yes. Jerec had no eyes, but saw much.

This reminds me of a game where a character kept asking, 'Can I see in this situation, how about this situation, what about this situation?' ... and then extrapolated it to mean he could see in all situations similar to previously cited successes.

I would submit that it is possible to use the Force to substitute for a missing or occluded sense, but it requires concentration to do so if this is not your normal state (i.e., temporarily blinded vs. genetically blind from birth).

Over time, if such compensation is needed long-term in light of an injury, then the GM could reduce the penalties, but make the mastery of this technique something the character has to cope with over several adventures/levels.

As far as D20 goes, I'd also check some of the 'notable Jedi' in the Powers of the Jedi supplement - I seem to recall there was one character wearing a blindfold ...

Is Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight Canon? If so than that pretty much answers the first question...

InnocentBystander wrote:Is Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight Canon? If so than that pretty much answers the first question...

According to the latest canon statements, if it doesn't have an infinities label, then "yes". Games (by their nature) are horrifically unrealistic and therefore about the lowest level of canon but still canon.

Darth Servo wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:Is Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight Canon? If so than that pretty much answers the first question...

According to the latest canon statements, if it doesn't have an infinities label, then "yes". Games (by their nature) are horrifically unrealistic and therefore about the lowest level of canon but still canon.

What about game cut-scenes? Aren't they higher canon? Isn't the Vengence considered a ship because of cutscenes in DF2:JK? I seem to recall seeing it mentioned on Dr. Saxton's page...

I think one of the characters in KOTOR 2 is this chick with no eyes, who 'sees' through the Force. So, i'd say yeah.

Well, Kreia and Visas Marr managed the first in KotOR II (and in the original, Jolee Bindo mentions a Jedi Master with very bad eyesight, and says other Jedi advised him to see with the Force).

As to the second, I have no idea.

Well I was thinking of a blinded jedi character (for potential fanfic use) that could see by using the force and wanted to know is that possible.

18-Till-I-Die wrote:I think one of the characters in KOTOR 2 is this chick with no eyes, who 'sees' through the Force. So, i'd say yeah.

if refering to Visas Marr, We don't know if she has eyes (but she is blind that's for sure) as we never (IIRC) see her full face (she has similar head gear as mouth oif sauron in the ROTK movie(exept her's is made out of cloth).

There's a race in the EU, the Miraaluka or something like that, who are genetically blind from birth; they all see through the Force, and in fact, one of them became a Jedi, a pilot to boot. Check out the 'Tales of the Jedi' TPB for that particular example.

Elheru Aran wrote:There's a race in the EU, the Miraaluka or something like that, who are genetically blind from birth; they all see through the Force, and in fact, one of them became a Jedi, a pilot to boot. Check out the 'Tales of the Jedi' TPB for that particular example.

Visas Marr is also (IIRC) member of that Race.

If intended for fanfic, then the challenge is to make sure the character is understood to be blind, that the 'gimmick' helps tell your story, and not just a sighted character who happens to use the Force instead of his/her eyes.

Nick Lancaster wrote:If intended for fanfic, then the challenge is to make sure the character is understood to be blind, that the 'gimmick' helps tell your story, and not just a sighted character who happens to use the Force instead of his/her eyes.

Agreed. Look up some of the better Daredevil comics for examples of how you can write for a blind character. Some pretty good stuff there... Daredevil's not one of the better Marvel comics, but it is kind of unique in being one of the only blind characters in comic books that has his own line.

Nick Lancaster wrote:If intended for fanfic, then the challenge is to make sure the character is understood to be blind, that the 'gimmick' helps tell your story, and not just a sighted character who happens to use the Force instead of his/her eyes.

it's part of mystery of the character as he (yes the character is male) can "see" thing others can't (or need a lot of consentration to) "see".

InnocentBystander wrote:

Darth Servo wrote:

InnocentBystander wrote:Is Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight Canon? If so than that pretty much answers the first question...

According to the latest canon statements, if it doesn't have an infinities label, then "yes". Games (by their nature) are horrifically unrealistic and therefore about the lowest level of canon but still canon.

What about game cut-scenes? Aren't they higher canon? Isn't the Vengence considered a ship because of cutscenes in DF2:JK? I seem to recall seeing it mentioned on Dr. Saxton's page...

OK, thats a good point. By "games" I meant the interactive portion.

Lord Revan wrote:Well I was thinking of a blinded jedi character (for potential fanfic use) that could see by using the force and wanted to know is that possible.

There is a Jedi named Tahl in one of the books in the Jedi Apprentice series ("The Captive Temple") who was blinded in an accident and uses the Force to get around and do work around the temple.

InnocentBystander wrote:If Jedi Knight (computer game) is Canon, then yes. Jerec had no eyes, but saw much.

Games are considered canon. However, this applies mainly to the story, and there where it doesn't contradict more definitive canon. The details of the gameplay, though, can usually be safely dismissed.

Since Jerec's blindness was more than just gamepay (actually, it didn't affect gameplay at all), then it stands.

i doubt that a blind jedi using the force could tell what shade of green my shirt is, but im sure using the force they can "know" exactly whats around them. in tpm doesnt the young anakin know what image is on the screen just because hes so force-attuned?

avoidingthepo wrote:i doubt that a blind jedi using the force could tell what shade of green my shirt is, but im sure using the force they can "know" exactly whats around them. in tpm doesnt the young anakin know what image is on the screen just because hes so force-attuned?

I think it work like some kind Force sonar (most bats are blind after all), so the Jedi could see his/her surroundings but details like colors would beond his/her abilities.

Given that a person deprived of sight would rely on their other senses to compensate (hearing, smell, touch) ... the character would use that as a base, and it's whatever Force-based discipline he has going that takes it to the next level.

So if you're positing 'Force sonar,' for example, a guy who is blindfolded or temporarily blinded could strain for audio cues to recognize people and movement around him, perhaps even visualize the layout of a room with which he is minimally familiar. Your character is able to extrapolate much, much more - picking up the faintest nuance as sound travels through a room.

That sounds a lot like Daredevil, but without the 'audio overload' problem shown in the movie.

But what if it's more like what Paul Atreides does in Dune: Messiah? He draws on the future and wraps the vision around himself - he is seeing not the actual event, but the most likely future.

The character's combat training must also come into play, since Jedi routinely respond to cues that other people would miss. Could his 'vision' have come about from that? Does the question of aggression enter into it (i.e., to utilize a battle-mentality for vision, are you placing yourself in an aggressive mindset)?

Well, rather than make an entire thread for one question, I got one: Just how far can a Jedi free fall and survive?

Flipping around my AOTC DVD, I find the part of Mace Windu jumping off Dooku's observation platform, blocking bolts and falling quite a distance without even looking worried damn cool.

Can a Jedi recover and survive landing huge falls, say even after reaching terminal velocity?

A specific scenario that comes to mind is Obi Won falling on Coruscant...was he really in danger, or could he have survived that fall and Anakin only picked him up to continue the pursuit?

Well, Anakin jumped from speeder to speeder, so we know he was going at terminal velocity, plus the force of the fast-moving craft slamming into him, and he still grabbed onto it. So he could in theory fall 10 km, but since he's going at terminal velocity anyway, he should be fine. I think the real danger is from landing on sharp objects or inconveniently-placed pools of acid (you never know).

Robert Walper wrote: Can a Jedi recover and survive landing huge falls, say even after reaching terminal velocity?

What the heck do you think Anakin did when he free-falled onto Zam's speeder?

Mace did something similar in Shatterpoint. though IIRC he didn't really "free fall" either (so he didn't need the sudden massive acceleration to decelerate himself at the last minute - he was using the Force to slow and guide his descent, which is more of a sustained feat.)

Robert Walper wrote: Can a Jedi recover and survive landing huge falls, say even after reaching terminal velocity?

What the heck do you think Anakin did when he free-falled onto Zam's speeder?

Mace did something similar in Shatterpoint. though IIRC he didn't really "free fall" either (so he didn't need the sudden massive acceleration to decelerate himself at the last minute - he was using the Force to slow and guide his descent, which is more of a sustained feat.)