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Pointlessness of BDZ

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:12pm
by Pu-239
I mean after you BDZ a planet it is pretty much useless ball of hardened rock, which is difficult to mine (does the empire use slaves for mining, or droids) . If you deathstar a planet, you can harvest minerals and such from dust and gas. If you don't BDZ a planet and just blow people apart with ground troops, you can also use it for something.

Re: Pointlessness of BDZ

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:14pm
by Shinova
Pu-239 wrote:I mean after you BDZ a planet it is pretty much useless ball of hardened rock, which is difficult to mine (does the empire use slaves for mining, or droids) . If you deathstar a planet, you can harvest minerals and such from dust and gas. If you don't BDZ a planet and just blow people apart with ground troops, you can also use it for something.

Which is why they created the World Devastators.

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:15pm
by Spanky The Dolphin
The point of a BDZ is to render the planet uninhabitable and its resources unusable.

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:34pm
by Silver
It's a terror thing. "Mess with us and your planet will be a ball of molten slag."

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:35pm
by Pu-239
Spanky The Dolphin wrote: ...resources unusable.
Ah now I get it.

Re: Pointlessness of BDZ

Posted: 2002-11-20 10:39pm
by Connor MacLeod
Pu-239 wrote:I mean after you BDZ a planet it is pretty much useless ball of hardened rock, which is difficult to mine (does the empire use slaves for mining, or droids) . If you deathstar a planet, you can harvest minerals and such from dust and gas. If you don't BDZ a planet and just blow people apart with ground troops, you can also use it for something.
1.) If you can blast a planet to fragments and still get resources from it, oyu can probably do so to a molten ball of slag.

2.) If #1 is false, it doesn't matter, since BDZ's include destruction of a planet's resources.

3.) "Pointless" is an entirely subjective term. Somentimes you cannot occupy a planet, and you do not want your enemy using it (sometimes not at all.)

4.) Even if it is pointless, that is typically why they are not commonly done (except as an example or a terror weapon or as a final solution.)

Posted: 2002-11-20 11:02pm
by Pu-239
It's easier to get resources from dust and gas then from a solid ball. You would just need to scoop it up rather than wasting time digging out ore

Posted: 2002-11-20 11:23pm
by Sea Skimmer
AOTCICS also indicated that BDZ is intended to wipe out armies entrenched deep underground.

Re: Pointlessness of BDZ

Posted: 2002-11-21 12:02am
by Howedar
Pu-239 wrote: (does the empire use slaves for mining, or droids)
Slavery went out of fashion with the Industrial Revolution for a reason.

Re: Pointlessness of BDZ

Posted: 2002-11-21 12:06am
by Stormbringer
Howedar wrote:
Pu-239 wrote: (does the empire use slaves for mining, or droids)
Slavery went out of fashion with the Industrial Revolution for a reason.
It's used occasionally for stuff that requires workers.

Posted: 2002-11-21 12:37am
by Connor MacLeod
Pu-239 wrote:It's easier to get resources from dust and gas then from a solid ball. You would just need to scoop it up rather than wasting time digging out ore
Perhaps, but that was why I (and I notice, Spanky before me) pointed out the other aspects. You did notice I had 3 other points as well, right?

Posted: 2002-11-21 12:48am
by Sea Skimmer
Pu-239 wrote:It's easier to get resources from dust and gas then from a solid ball. You would just need to scoop it up rather than wasting time digging out ore
Of course when that dust and gas is traveling at fairly high-speed in all direction things are no longer so easy. And locating the choice bits amoung a massive debires field would be annoying.

Posted: 2002-11-21 11:10am
by meNNis
long live BDZ :twisted:

Posted: 2002-11-21 12:41pm
by Utsanomiko
Actually, planetary shields make Base Delta Zero pointless, that's why they built Torpedo Spheres and the Death Stars.

As for making it impossible to mine, BDZ probably slags the surface too much to make it worthwhile to utilize. Though considering that they can strip oceans of an entire planet as punishment (synthesizing that amount of water would have been easier), I think a large-scale effort could be attempted to mine such a dead planet, but it'd be inefficient. I don't think it's the main point of BDZ, though.

Posted: 2002-11-21 02:09pm
by kojikun
I'd like to know just exactly how a planets resources are rendered "useless". Exactly how does melting down rock make it useless? Rock is a mixture of many different metals which has undergone intense heating in the mantle. BDZing the surface of a planet would render its crop growing and animal resources useless, but mineral resources would remain unscathed.

We've seen in AOTCs battledroid manufacturing plant that the republic has the ability to pour liquid metal from a "tap". I would also say its not far fetched to believe that controlled shape shields could contain liquid metal until it was cooled/transferred into the appropriate containers. So the melting of the entire surface of a planet wouuld actually make resource mining easier, not harder, because scooping up liquid rock is far easier then digging it out.

Posted: 2002-11-21 04:13pm
by Sea Skimmer
Darth Utsanomiko wrote:Actually, planetary shields make Base Delta Zero pointless, that's why they built Torpedo Spheres and the Death Stars.
They don’t make them pointless, just more difficult to carry out. The reasoning for carrying out such an attack would not be greatly effected by the presence of a shield.

Posted: 2002-11-21 07:39pm
by Darth Yoshi
Well the Empire might be able to mine a BDZed planet, but very few others can. To take apart hardened rock and separate everything useful out of it takes resources, which enemies of the Empire, say the Rebels, don't have.

Posted: 2002-11-21 07:46pm
by Sea Skimmer
Darth Yoshi wrote:Well the Empire might be able to mine a BDZed planet, but very few others can. To take apart hardened rock and separate everything useful out of it takes resources, which enemies of the Empire, say the Rebels, don't have.
Course; with 51 million inhabited planets in a galaxy with billions of stars, I doubt it would ever be much of an issue. You could easily find another world to mine in almost every case.

Posted: 2002-11-21 08:12pm
by Darth Yoshi
Right. Most sane people won't bother with a BDZed planet, since its cheaper to just find some other place to mine.