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*coughs* Excuse me? Dooku vs Yoda.... Yoda was winning. And he certainly wasn't angry. I doubt Obi-wan will be angry-- sad, if anything-- when he fights Anakin in Ep 3.Alexus wrote:The darkside is more powerful than the light.
Whenever Jedi kill Sith/Dark Jedi, they kill in anger.
Luke beats Vader in anger, Obi-Wan beats Maul in anger.
I rest my case.
No True Scotsman fallacy.Alexus wrote:Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.
so, that's hardly suppricing as inexperienced fighter will always use brute force method when fighting a more skilled opponent (as they don't have skill to win with any other method (why do you think a swordmaster can be defeated by a total novice (master tend to be old where novices tend be young)).Alexus wrote:Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.
Like it's said the TPM fight is at descirbing the good and bad point of Brute force method (it wear an opponent down(Maul vs. Jinn), but has less control and against a very skilled opponent suicidal (Maul vs. Kenobi or Dooku vs A. Skywalker)Alexus wrote:Oopsie.
I promised myself never to see that movie again, so I'm a bit hazy on details.
Obi-Wan did not cross to the Dark Side to win. When he nearly did, he almost got himself killed. Only when he calmed down and focused did he win over Darth Maul. Luke managed to hold on to himself in the end as well, not striking his father down when he was defeated.Alexus wrote:Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.
Actually, the most powerful Jedi is one who has the self control of a light side Jedi but slips into the power of the dark side.Alexus wrote:The darkside is more powerful than the light.
Whenever Jedi kill Sith/Dark Jedi, they kill in anger.
Luke beats Vader in anger, Obi-Wan beats Maul in anger.
I rest my case.
well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).Praxis wrote:Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.
He cut half of Maul's saber off. Thats better than Qui-gon did. Maul was getting WHOOPED, he just knocked Obi-wan off with a cheap force trick.Lord Revan wrote:well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).Praxis wrote:Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.
The double lightsaber was far more suited to fighting two opponents than one. And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick". Instead, he let his emotions run free and he almost died for his mistake.Praxis wrote:He cut half of Maul's saber off. Thats better than Qui-gon did. Maul was getting WHOOPED, he just knocked Obi-wan off with a cheap force trick.Lord Revan wrote:well Kenobi got his ass kicked hard because he angry (he defeated Maul only after he had cooled down).Praxis wrote:Maul had anger already. He kills Qui-gon. Obi-wan gets angry, and kills him.
And you base this on what? Or is this just your personal speculation?Lone_Prodigy wrote: The double lightsaber was far more suited to fighting two opponents than one.
What the fuck is a 'cheap force trick'? The only place in combat where 'cheap tricks' are found is in the mind of the loser as they blame the victor for their own failings. If we dub all effective, yet easy to implement and hard to defend against tactics "cheap" then I suppose that defines just about all of modern warfare.And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".
RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.Lone_Prodigy wrote:if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".
If you read his post you'll notice the ' "quotation marks" ', showing that he (Lone Prodigy) has the same reaction to the phrase; 'cheap force trick', as you.Steven Snyder wrote:What the fuck is a 'cheap force trick'?Lone_Prodigy wrote:And by the way, if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".
The double sabre has inferior reach to a normal sabre, but a trained user can parry two other sabres at once with it. Further, when attacking just one jedi, Maul only used a single blade.Steven Snyder wrote:And you base this on what? Or is this just your personal speculation?
there's a defence, but ti's success depends on power and skill defender compared to the power and skill of attacker (so Dooku was probaly more powerfull and/or skillfull then Obi-wan) and wont work if your not in controll of yourselfNecronLord wrote:RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.
Found it.Crown wrote: If you read his post you'll notice the ' "quotation marks" ', showing that he (Lone Prodigy) has the same reaction to the phrase; 'cheap force trick', as you.
I always took the action of igniting the second blade as..."There is something I am not telling you, I am not left handed"NecronLord wrote:The double sabre has inferior reach to a normal sabre, but a trained user can parry two other sabres at once with it. Further, when attacking just one jedi, Maul only used a single blade.
According to SW.com, Maul used Obi-Wan's touching of the dark side as a conduit for a Force attack; using the Force, Maul pushed Obi-Wan into a deep mining pit.NecronLord wrote:RotS spoiler This looks unlikely. Count Dooku can send the older obi-wan flying when he seems quite calm. I don't know if there is a defence.Lone_Prodigy wrote:if Obi-wan had shown some self-control he could've stopped Maul from doing that "cheap force trick".
plus, don't forget that the darkside is an easier path, so it would figure that an inexperienced lightside Jedi would be more likely to take the easy way to beat a superior opponent.Lord Revan wrote:so, that's hardly suppricing as inexperienced fighter will always use brute force method when fighting a more skilled opponent (as they don't have skill to win with any other method (why do you think a swordmaster can be defeated by a total novice (master tend to be old where novices tend)).Alexus wrote:Sorry. But inexperienced Jedi killed in anger.