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Republic AT-AT

Posted: 2005-03-08 04:10pm
by Lord Revan
I had bought a translated version of Republic 55-58 (in one edition) and there some good pic of the Republic version of the AT-AT and it's A bit more boxy and different head then its Imperial counterpart (also it guns fire blue bolts), but other wise it's Like its Imperial counterpart.

Posted: 2005-03-08 04:46pm
by VT-16
For some reason the red markings made it´s "face" look like a clown´s face. Good thing the Empire had enough sense to do away with those markings. :x

Posted: 2005-03-08 04:58pm
by Darth Fanboy
Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?

Posted: 2005-03-08 05:06pm
by NecronLord
Darth Fanboy wrote:Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?
No. Bolt colour means nothing.

Essentially, it depends on the internal setup of the gun. You can choose your colour. Rebel turbolasers shoot red, imperial turbolasers green, Imperial ground weapons red, large rebel ion cannons red, imperials and most other ion cannons blue (EU). In the prequel era, blue bolts were used by the Army of the Republic's laser weapons, specifically, clone trooper blasters.

Posted: 2005-03-08 05:06pm
by Coriolis
Do u have a pic of it? I'm intrigued...

Posted: 2005-03-08 05:52pm
by Lord Revan
StarWarsJunkie89 wrote:Do u have a pic of it? I'm intrigued...
Not at the moment

Posted: 2005-03-08 05:56pm
by Lord Revan
VT-16 wrote:For some reason the red markings made it´s "face" look like a clown´s face. Good thing the Empire had enough sense to do away with those markings. :x
Bad joke (Jabiim walkers didn't have any makings at all)

Posted: 2005-03-08 06:04pm
by Vympel
There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...

Posted: 2005-03-08 06:44pm
by VT-16
I thought the fighters fired blue bolts? Or did I just not notice? probably the latter. :P

It´s just colors, no sweat. They probably got fighters and gunships late in the game, lucked out on the cannons and had to buy from a different ammunitions-source. :P

Posted: 2005-03-08 07:01pm
by Elfdart
Vympel wrote:There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...
Actually, it makes perfect sense -just like Luke's new lightsabre in ROTJ.

The background sky on Tattooine was blue, Luke's blue sabre didn't show very well, so they changed it to green. The skies and surface of Geonosis were red/orange, red blaster bolts wouldn't show very well, so they used blue and green. As Fernando used to say: It's better to look good than feel good. It's better to look cool than be consistent.

Another reason is that in the OT, blue items caused problem for the special effects crews and bluescreen. That's why Blue group became Red group. The reason the ships in the OT looked boxier is that rounded shapes caused reflections that screwed up bluescreen as well. They could add blue in the PT and did.

Posted: 2005-03-08 07:12pm
by Star-Blighter
NecronLord wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:Blue Bolts = Ion Cannons don't they?
No. Bolt colour means nothing.

Essentially, it depends on the internal setup of the gun. You can choose your colour. Rebel turbolasers shoot red, imperial turbolasers green, Imperial ground weapons red, large rebel ion cannons red, imperials and most other ion cannons blue (EU). In the prequel era, blue bolts were used by the Army of the Republic's laser weapons, specifically, clone trooper blasters.
Very true. Weren't the main guns on AT-TE called "railguns" some such weirdness (I think there just blasters set to blue), it is possible that these are weapons of similar design.

Also are there any pics? I like to see this Republic walker.

Posted: 2005-03-08 07:15pm
by Star-Blighter
Elfdart wrote:
Vympel wrote:There seems to be little rhyme or reason to Old Republic turbolaser/blaster weaponry- it's a mix of blue and green bolts with no discernable pattern:

- LAAT: green mini-superlasers and cannons
- capital ships: blue turbolasers (see trailer)
- fighters: green cannons
- blasters: blue cannons

makes no sense ...
Actually, it makes perfect sense -just like Luke's new lightsabre in ROTJ.

The background sky on Tattooine was blue, Luke's blue sabre didn't show very well, so they changed it to green. The skies and surface of Geonosis were red/orange, red blaster bolts wouldn't show very well, so they used blue and green. As Fernando used to say: It's better to look good than feel good. It's better to look cool than be consistent.

Another reason is that in the OT, blue items caused problem for the special effects crews and bluescreen. That's why Blue group became Red group. The reason the ships in the OT looked boxier is that rounded shapes caused reflections that screwed up bluescreen as well. They could add blue in the PT and did.
And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?

And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED.
:roll:

Posted: 2005-03-08 07:17pm
by Lord Revan
I think it was so that the sides apart (blue/green=Republic and Red=CIS).

Posted: 2005-03-08 07:33pm
by VT-16
The red/blue to green/red switch was to make things abit more ambigious. The Rebels use red with starships, like the Separatists. The Empire uses a different color from the Rebels, just like the Republic, but it is different from the Republic´s laser-color just as the Empire itself is a different political entity.

More about symbolism than any real explanation of why they keep switching.

Posted: 2005-03-08 10:06pm
by Elfdart
Star-Blighter wrote:And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?
I'm explaining why they did it.
Star-Blighter wrote:And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED. :roll:
Different sides mostly have different colored bolts, even in the OT. Probably so you can tell who's shooting. Besides, the color of the droid blasters was already established. The exception is small arms, but there isn't the variety we've seen in the PT, so it could be coincidence. The clones' blasters were new and could be made any color, so they chose blue to stand out from the red of the droids' guns and the reddish backgrounds.

Posted: 2005-03-08 10:48pm
by Star-Blighter
Elfdart wrote:
Star-Blighter wrote:And Luke having a different lightsaber by that time isn't reasonable?
I'm explaining why they did it.
Star-Blighter wrote:And your theory doesn't explain the Seperatist forces droid blasters. They were RED. :roll:
Different sides mostly have different colored bolts, even in the OT. Probably so you can tell who's shooting. Besides, the color of the droid blasters was already established. The exception is small arms, but there isn't the variety we've seen in the PT, so it could be coincidence. The clones' blasters were new and could be made any color, so they chose blue to stand out from the red of the droids' guns and the reddish backgrounds.
I'm trying to find an IN UNIVERSE explanation. It is fucking obvious thats why the production crew had different bolt colors for the films.

Posted: 2005-03-08 11:03pm
by Kartr_Kana
Something a friend of mine noticed about blaster-bolts was that the established government used/uses green for their starship weapons and the Rebels/Separtist use red. Could it be that as an army built and equiped by civvies uses blue? This breaks down when we get to blasters as they should be green. Maybe green is also higher damage? And blasters do not do enough damage to rate a green color?

Green = government suppliers
Red = black alley suppliers
Blue = civilian suppliers

Posted: 2005-03-08 11:35pm
by Star-Blighter
Kartr_Kana wrote:Something a friend of mine noticed about blaster-bolts was that the established government used/uses green for their starship weapons and the Rebels/Separtist use red. Could it be that as an army built and equiped by civvies uses blue? This breaks down when we get to blasters as they should be green. Maybe green is also higher damage? And blasters do not do enough damage to rate a green color?

Green = government suppliers
Red = black alley suppliers
Blue = civilian suppliers
That could be, given the appearant ease of changing bolt colors. I wouldn't be supprised if there were ragtag defense forces with multiple bolt colors in the same force.

Posted: 2005-03-09 02:45am
by Darth Fanboy
This begs the question then, how would you set the color on a blaster?

Posted: 2005-03-09 08:14am
by NecronLord
Darth Fanboy wrote:This begs the question then, how would you set the color on a blaster?
For a while there, it depended what gas you used in the gun. With the new blaster theories? Damned if I know.

Posted: 2005-03-09 12:53pm
by Kartr_Kana
It could still be the gas, it could just be the quality of the gas availble to the suppliers. Some gasses would do more damage and so have a different color. The higher quality avalible to galactic governments is why they have green while the lower quality of the blaster gas availible to dissentionist is why they have red.

Posted: 2005-03-09 04:22pm
by Star-Blighter
Kartr_Kana wrote:It could still be the gas, it could just be the quality of the gas availble to the suppliers. Some gasses would do more damage and so have a different color. The higher quality avalible to galactic governments is why they have green while the lower quality of the blaster gas availible to dissentionist is why they have red.
I concure with this conclusion, although the possible increase in firepower likely would be small. Probably similar to using two different propelants while testing the same type of gun with each, to use an anology.

Posted: 2005-03-10 11:50am
by Elfdart
Star-Blighter wrote:I'm trying to find an IN UNIVERSE explanation. It is fucking obvious thats why the production crew had different bolt colors for the films.
There is no "in universe" explanation, any more than there's one for why TIE fighters sound like elephants.

Posted: 2005-03-10 11:55am
by Kartr_Kana
Elfdart that is a sound generated by a ships onboard computer to alow for auditor input of sensor data. The more of your sense availble to track and detect targets the better. The doppler affect can be duplicated alowing a pilot to tell aprox. where an enemy is just by listening.

We can and will find an in universe explenation for everything.

Posted: 2005-03-10 12:07pm
by Elfdart
Kartr_Kana wrote:Elfdart that is a sound generated by a ships onboard computer to alow for auditor input of sensor data. The more of your sense availble to track and detect targets the better. The doppler affect can be duplicated alowing a pilot to tell aprox. where an enemy is just by listening.

We can and will find an in universe explenation for everything.
Well good luck with it, then. :P

As far as the bolts are concerned, don't tracer rounds for different real life guns come in different colors? And since there are so many shots of damage done to objects before the bolt connects, couldn't the bolts be tracers? The different tracer colors are probably (a) so one side doesn't get confused in a fight and (b) to make it easier to tell who's shooting whom. Or maybe different sides like different colors. :P